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[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, according to ESPN nearly 54% think the Skins are going to the playoffs this year.

I would think in most people's eyes anything less would be a failure. I don't see Skins fans having low standards at all. If we had low standards I fail to understand why people would continue to go to the games or buy the merch. Wouldn't we have given up after 15 years of misery?? The high ticket prices and obstructed view seating doesn't even keep people away.

Thats right, they dont care if the teams wins or loses because they have low standards for the team. Just make sure the beer is cold and grill hot. Anyone with high standards for the team has either moved on to another team or is labeled as negative for calling a turd a turd.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats right, they dont care if the teams wins or loses because they have low standards for the team. Just make sure the beer is cold and grill hot. Anyone with high standards for the team has either moved on to another team or is labeled as negative for calling a turd a turd.

Ahhh... so the 80,000+ that sell out FedEx are there for the beer and food?!

Glad we cleared that up.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ahhh... so the 80,000+ that sell out FedEx are there for the beer and food?!

Glad we cleared that up.

All the tickets may be sold but if you think FedEx is full you need to look a little closer at your tv. I'd say 75% of the people at a game are there for beer, food and a day out, they couldnt give a hoot about the skins or if they win. How many post are written by guys at the game complaining about how many people are leaving too early, getting there too late, not paying attention, not yelling....? A lot. It sounds like those fan are not really into the game but I bet they had a hell of a tailgate spread that they wouldnt miss for anything.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

All the tickets may be sold but if you think FedEx is full you need to look a little closer at your tv. I'd say 75% of the people at a game are there for beer, food and a day out, they couldnt give a hoot about the skins or if they win. How many post are written by guys at the game complaining about how many people are leaving too early, getting there too late, not paying attention, not yelling....? A lot. It sounds like those fan are not really into the game but I bet they had a hell of a tailgate spread that they wouldnt miss for anything.

The stands might not be full but the stadium definitely is.

Bottom line is they sell out, not all NFL teams can make that claim.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The stands might not be full but the stadium definitely is.

Bottom line is they sell out, not all NFL teams can make that claim.

The parking lots are full I'll give you that.

I am trying to think of an NFL team besides the Cards that does not sell out and I cant.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

The parking lots are full I'll give you that.

I am trying to think of an NFL team besides the Cards that does not sell out and I cant.

I know the Bills have problems selling out and the Raiders did last year too.

Here's an interesting article about fan loyalty

bizjournals: Cleveland is No. 1 in rankings of NFL fan loyalty

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by irish

All the tickets may be sold but if you think FedEx is full you need to look a little closer at your tv. I'd say 75% of the people at a game are there for beer, food and a day out, they couldnt give a hoot about the skins or if they win. How many post are written by guys at the game complaining about how many people are leaving too early, getting there too late, not paying attention, not yelling....? A lot. It sounds like those fan are not really into the game but I bet they had a hell of a tailgate spread that they wouldnt miss for anything.

Irish, for once in your life, think before you type. Do you think it's at all likely that there are 60,000 people (75% of capacity) who have enough money to go to FedEx Field to drink $9 beers and eat $8 hot dogs and watch something they don't care at all about? FedEx is not a place for a day out, people watch football. They frequently cheer, loudly. They come home hoarse, and with ringing ears. They hoot, they holler, they exhort their neighbors to do the same. I know this, because I am one of them. I'm sorry the bleachers don't shake with the screaming - that's what happens when your stadium is up to code.

Do a few thousand fans leave early to beat traffic? Sure. I left a family member's wedding early to jockey for position at the reception - it doesn't mean I don't love them.

There are other possible reasons you don't hear the cheers, irish. Maybe, just maybe, the attendees are all as enlightened as you are, and would rather show their allegience by grumbling "I told ya so..."

[irish]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Irish, for once in your life, think before you type. Do you think it's at all likely that there are 60,000 people (75% of capacity) who have enough money to go to FedEx Field to drink $9 beers and eat $8 hot dogs and watch something they don't care at all about? FedEx is not a place for a day out, people watch football. They frequently cheer, loudly. They come home hoarse, and with ringing ears. They hoot, they holler, they exhort their neighbors to do the same. I know this, because I am one of them. I'm sorry the bleachers don't shake with the screaming - that's what happens when your stadium is up to code.

Do a few thousand fans leave early to beat traffic? Sure. I left a family member's wedding early to jockey for position at the reception - it doesn't mean I don't love them.

There are other possible reasons you don't hear the cheers, irish. Maybe, just maybe, the attendees are all as enlightened as you are, and would rather show their allegience by grumbling "I told ya so..."

I sure do think people in the DC area have that kind of money. I think they are interested in the game like people are interested in a movie, they pay attention and enjoy the show but they dont live & die with the team.

I Have been to games in clev, den, KC and pit and i can tell you from my experience I did not see anybody leaving early. I'm sure there were a few but it was not as noticeable as at FedEx.

I guess RFK was not up to code because those stands used to shake.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats right, they dont care if the teams wins or loses because they have low standards for the team. Just make sure the beer is cold and grill hot. Anyone with high standards for the team has either moved on to another team or is labeled as negative for calling a turd a turd.

Honestly, that really pisses me off. I'm with the team through good years and bad years and I pay the money like everyone else because I enjoy seeing my team play my favorite past-time. Before you start spouting shit like that off, you might want to consider that you probably offended most people on this board.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats right, they dont care if the teams wins or loses because they have low standards for the team. Just make sure the beer is cold and grill hot. Anyone with high standards for the team has either moved on to another team or is labeled as negative for calling a turd a turd.

What the hell can a fan really do but root and stick by their team? So why not make the beer cold and the burgers hot???

The Washington Redskins and Joe Gibbs are all that is great about professional football. EVERYONE knows that!

Redskins fans having low standards is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We have won the super bowls and tasted glory more than most football organizations. The reason there is so much depression and pressure around the team when they lose. They have done all possible to try and win and sometimes you just don't win! There are 32 other teams and only one team can win in the end. Making the playoffs in the NFL is no small feat either, not like HOCKEY!!

Come on man, its way too early for you to have such a negative attitude towards the SKINS. Why don't you just sit back and watch........if we fail again I'm sure you will let everyone know how right you were and how bad we suck. Until then..............

[irish]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

What the hell can a fan really do but root and stick by their team? So why not make the beer cold and the burgers hot???

The Washington Redskins and Joe Gibbs are all that is great about professional football. EVERYONE knows that!

Redskins fans having low standards is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. We have won the super bowls and tasted glory more than most football organizations. The reason there is so much depression and pressure around the team when they lose. They have done all possible to try and win and sometimes you just don't win! There are 32 other teams and only one team can win in the end. Making the playoffs in the NFL is no small feat either, not like HOCKEY!!

Come on man, its way too early for you to have such a negative attitude towards the SKINS. Why don't you just sit back and watch........if we fail again I'm sure you will let everyone know how right you were and how bad we suck. Until then..............

Matty would not agree as that super bowl stuff was over 10 years ago so who cares.

I agree with you that this organization is one of the greatest in NFL history and thats why I think the past has a lot to do with today and the future. Fans of that long time ago that Matty thinks is irrelevant had high standards and expected super bowl wins. Todays fans hope for being in playoff contention and tell me to look on the bright side as they have made 2 playoff appearances in 10 years. Steelers fans or Broncos fans would laugh at being jacked over 2 playoffs in 10 years. The standards are lower today my friend and it makes me very sad.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by irish

Matty would not agree as that super bowl stuff was over 10 years ago so who cares.

I agree with you that this organization is one of the greatest in NFL history and thats why I think the past has a lot to do with today and the future. Fans of that long time ago that Matty thinks is irrelevant had high standards and expected super bowl wins. Todays fans hope for being in playoff contention and tell me to look on the bright side as they have made 2 playoff appearances in 10 years. Steelers fans or Broncos fans would laugh at being jacked over 2 playoffs in 10 years. The standards are lower today my friend and it makes me very sad.

Let me clarify that when I said "high standards" what I meant is that some of us fans don't give any room for failure and are very hard on the SKINS. All teams have their ups and downs.. and most fans here understand that. I think to be great you have to experiance humility first and learn from it. Joe Gibbs is one coach that understands this and I think we will all see progress in the very near future. Last year was a blind blessing .. and I think our team will benefit greatly from hard times in the long run...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Let me clarify that when I said "high standards" what I meant is that some of us fans don't give any room for failure and are very hard on the SKINS. All teams have their ups and downs.. and most fans here understand that. I think to be great you have to experiance humility first and learn from it. Joe Gibbs is one coach that understands this and I think we will all see progress in the very near future. Last year was a blind blessing .. and I think our team will benefit greatly from hard times in the long run...

Nice post hess

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Nice post hess

Thanks Smoot.... Smmmmmmmmooooooooooooooooooootttttttttt! Can't wait to yell that again!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Let me clarify that when I said "high standards" what I meant is that some of us fans don't give any room for failure and are very hard on the SKINS. All teams have their ups and downs.. and most fans here understand that. I think to be great you have to experiance humility first and learn from it. Joe Gibbs is one coach that understands this and I think we will all see progress in the very near future. Last year was a blind blessing .. and I think our team will benefit greatly from hard times in the long run...

aren't we all just a bit tired of saying this year in and year out. Every since 1999 its been, boy wait until next year. Next year its ours. I think I am just a bit tired of saying that. I want to be able to say we consistantly make the playoffs, make a superbowl run, and can pretty much count on playing in jan. Right now, not so much!