6 WEEKS AGO: Trade Ramsey, Bench/trade Gardner

SUNRA · 09-20-2004, 10:49 AM

The Giants have a new head coach, 2 new QBs, a new defensive line ( except Strahan),a new offensive line, 2 new CB's and they still beat us. I think that's a new system with new problems. But we didn't lose because of new players or a new system. We lost because of 3 INTS in the 2 half of this game. The Giants offense scored only 10 points. We had 20 first downs. That's a good system wouldn't you say? Afterall, Brunelll did move us down the field on the most successful drive this year. Believe me the offense understands what Gibbs system. I said it once, I'll say it again, there is no consistent execution by our starters. A drop, a catch, a completion , an interception is not going to get it done in anybody's system.

What happeneded in that 3rd and 4th quarter will go down in my mind as the most embarrassing performance for a 3 year future "franchise player" I've seen. It was horrendous, even sickening. No more excuses for Ramsey about his lack of NFL experience. He should have gone to NFL Europe over the summer. He's had enough time to know to throw an incompletion rather than a interception.

ArringtonRules · 09-20-2004, 11:01 AM

c'mon guys... let's not get down on the offense yet. Yes Ramsey struggled, but you have to realise that he has not been taking regular number of snaps and not been practising with the first team. He was put in a very dicey situation.
Guys you have to realise that Ramsey is playing for a new coach, who has a different offensive strategy that Ol' Ball Coach. He just has 2 years of experience under him. You have to be a little patient with him, WHICH is hard to do considering that he threw 2 interceptions in the red zone and killed our drive. I am frustateed with his play but I trust the coaching staff on this one.
The problem I have is why the OL can't seem to find holes. They find holes in one drive and after that it seems as if the defense figures them out and portis struggles to get yards. Our first drive was perfect, but after that all of a sudden the NY D was able to get some pressure on Brunell and he was hurried and forced on a lot of throws.
Also Brunell is WAY inaccurate on long throws. He tried a couple to Coles but was way off the mark. The problem is a lot of teams are gonna DARE Brunell to throw long and try and cut his intermediate passes. this is exactly what the giants D did and brunell was unable to make use of the oppurtunity. QB spot id gonna be a really worry this year!!!

Riggo44 · 09-20-2004, 04:15 PM

I hope all you PR haters out there stay of the band wagon when the kid start's to come around. And trust me he will.

SmootSmack · 09-20-2004, 04:21 PM

I'm not going to speak for Hogskins (or anyone else who has conerns about Ramsey) here but I think you can be critical of Ramsey and still be loyal, and not a PR-hater.

I'm rooting for Ramsey to do well. Not just because he's a Redskin but because I believe he has the ability to do really well in this league. Still, he has flaws in his game that can't just be overlooked. I think it's all mental really

That being said, Sunday's loss-as others have repeatedly said already-cannot be pinned entirely on Ramsey. Everyone is to blame

09-20-2004, 04:15 PM	#3
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	I hope all you PR haters out there stay of the band wagon when the kid start's to come around. And trust me he will. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

09-20-2004, 04:21 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I'm not going to speak for Hogskins (or anyone else who has conerns about Ramsey) here but I think you can be critical of Ramsey and still be loyal, and not a PR-hater. I'm rooting for Ramsey to do well. Not just because he's a Redskin but because I believe he has the ability to do really well in this league. Still, he has flaws in his game that can't just be overlooked. I think it's all mental really That being said, Sunday's loss-as others have repeatedly said already-cannot be pinned entirely on Ramsey. Everyone is to blame __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-20-2004, 10:49 AM	#1
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	The Giants have a new head coach, 2 new QBs, a new defensive line ( except Strahan),a new offensive line, 2 new CB's and they still beat us. I think that's a new system with new problems. But we didn't lose because of new players or a new system. We lost because of 3 INTS in the 2 half of this game. The Giants offense scored only 10 points. We had 20 first downs. That's a good system wouldn't you say? Afterall, Brunelll did move us down the field on the most successful drive this year. Believe me the offense understands what Gibbs system. I said it once, I'll say it again, there is no consistent execution by our starters. A drop, a catch, a completion , an interception is not going to get it done in anybody's system. What happeneded in that 3rd and 4th quarter will go down in my mind as the most embarrassing performance for a 3 year future "franchise player" I've seen. It was horrendous, even sickening. No more excuses for Ramsey about his lack of NFL experience. He should have gone to NFL Europe over the summer. He's had enough time to know to throw an incompletion rather than a interception.

09-20-2004, 11:01 AM	#2
ArringtonRules Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 124	c'mon guys... let's not get down on the offense yet. Yes Ramsey struggled, but you have to realise that he has not been taking regular number of snaps and not been practising with the first team. He was put in a very dicey situation. Guys you have to realise that Ramsey is playing for a new coach, who has a different offensive strategy that Ol' Ball Coach. He just has 2 years of experience under him. You have to be a little patient with him, WHICH is hard to do considering that he threw 2 interceptions in the red zone and killed our drive. I am frustateed with his play but I trust the coaching staff on this one. The problem I have is why the OL can't seem to find holes. They find holes in one drive and after that it seems as if the defense figures them out and portis struggles to get yards. Our first drive was perfect, but after that all of a sudden the NY D was able to get some pressure on Brunell and he was hurried and forced on a lot of throws. Also Brunell is WAY inaccurate on long throws. He tried a couple to Coles but was way off the mark. The problem is a lot of teams are gonna DARE Brunell to throw long and try and cut his intermediate passes. this is exactly what the giants D did and brunell was unable to make use of the oppurtunity. QB spot id gonna be a really worry this year!!!

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