Snyder Showing Improvement b/c of Gibbs?

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

I think what's missing from this brief analysis is that Gibbs himself has learned that jumping on vet free agents isn't what it used to be. Gibbs always liked free agents & trades if he got the guys that he could fit into his system. But back then he had a stable roster & a couple additions here & there weren't a big deal and w/the exception of Byner, Riggs & W. Marshall there were usually no big names or contracts.

I think Gibbs has learned from the acquisitions of Loyd & AA that the free agency game is often as much a gamble as the draft, but the latter is cheaper, a big part of the equation in the salary cap. So let's not say that it's only Snyder that's learned ,assuming that he has. King must know something about the Skins to make these statements, considering that only last year we were signing AA, Loyd & AC to big deals. This year we couldn't due to cap limits.

Your correct but you also have to take into account that in 80's Gibbs did not have the cap. If he could convence Cook that he needed a player then it was a done deal. If the player failed they could dump them and it only hit Cook in the pocket. Today if you make that mistake it cost you much more with the cap in place.

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Your correct but you also have to take into account that in 80's Gibbs did not have the cap. If he could convence Cook that he needed a player then it was a done deal. If the player failed they could dump them and it only hit Cook in the pocket. Today if you make that mistake it cost you much more with the cap in place.

You still had to build mostly through the draft prior to the salary cap because there was no unrestricted free agency other than the whacky "Plan B" free agency system. Signing a top-shelf free agent like Wilbur Marshall cost us two first round picks back then.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Your correct but you also have to take into account that in 80's Gibbs did not have the cap. If he could convence Cook that he needed a player then it was a done deal. If the player failed they could dump them and it only hit Cook in the pocket. Today if you make that mistake it cost you much more with the cap in place.

Which I alluded to in saying that free agents & draft picks both have risk involved but that overall the draft is much cheaper.
Gibbs seemed to say as much in this past draft when he said he'd like to have a few picks in the 2nd round cause there were lots of good guys there. Gibbs & Beathard rarely held on to their 1st round picks back in the day. I think now Gibbs sees the pros & cons of the cap structure w/draft picks. As to whether Snyder will be on board w/the notion of building through the draft after Gibbs leave, remains to be seen.

ON a side note, look back at the famous Ricky Williams Ditka deal w/NO. We got a slew of picks but other than Champ (and Jansen?), that draft didn't turn the team around. In Snyder's first few years he kept all of his picks if memory serves me. Maybe after that, he felt the draft wasn't the way to build.

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

...ON a side note, look back at the famous Ricky Williams Ditka deal w/NO. We got a slew of picks but other than Champ (and Jansen?), that draft didn't turn the team around. In Snyder's first few years he kept all of his picks if memory serves me. Maybe after that, he felt the draft wasn't the way to build.

The Skins were wheeling and dealing picks back then as well. Yes, we got the motherlode for Ricky Williams, while still geting the player we wanted to select at the top (Champ Bailey). However, we also dealt our own first (#11 overall), our 3rd, and our 2000 2nd round pick to acquire Brad Johnson after allowing Trent Green to depart via free agency. I've often wondered what might have happened had we re-signed Green, and kept our own picks on top of the boatload Ditka gave us.

One final trivia note - Minnesota selected Daunte Culpepper with the 11th pick in that draft.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The Skins were wheeling and dealing picks back then as well. Yes, we got the motherlode for Ricky Williams, while still geting the player we wanted to select at the top (Champ Bailey). However, we also dealt our own first (#11 overall), our 3rd, and our 2000 2nd round pick to acquire Brad Johnson after allowing Trent Green to depart via free agency. I've often wondered what might have happened had we re-signed Green, and kept our own picks on top of the boatload Ditka gave us.

One final trivia note - Minnesota selected Daunte Culpepper with the 11th pick in that draft.

yeah, several people here said the same about Green. I remember somebody put up a thread asking which ex skin was missed the most. I agree that Green could've been the franchise qb, but he left for a few reasons, he got to go home to Mizz. & play for St. Louis, and the ownership situation was in limbo here.

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, several people here said the same about Green. I remember somebody put up a thread asking which ex skin was missed the most. I agree that Green could've been the franchise qb, but he left for a few reasons, he got to go home to Mizz. & play for St. Louis, and the ownership situation was in limbo here.

If I'm correct the team at the time did not have an owner and no one could have even worked his deal until someone purchased the team.