Just plain ugly

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Rule three , section thirtey

A shift is the action of two or more offensive players who (prior to a snap), After having assumed a set position, simultaneously change the position of thier feet by pivoting to or assuming a new set position with either one foot or both feet.

Its all right there.

No it's not...read it again..."change the position of their feet", not move from their set position to another position on the other side of the field. So they are in the same relative area, but went into a 3 point stance, or shifted slightly to the left or something of that nature.
It does not say anything about running to a new position.
And that seems like it would be a false start to me.

[love them hogs]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No it's not...read it again..."change the position of their feet", not move from their set position to another position on the other side of the field. So they are in the same relative area, but went into a 3 point stance, or shifted slightly to the left or something of that nature.
It does not say anything about running to a new position.
And that seems like it would be a false start to me.

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

Anyways, Im sure you are just going to keep on believing what you want and thats fine.Gibbs and I will continue to think otherwise.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

Anyways, Im sure you are just going to keep on believing what you want and thats fine.Gibbs and I will continue to think otherwise.

I should have read your post before I just posted. You captured exactly what I wanted, but failed, to say.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by love them hogs

Dids you even read this rule completly or can you not understand what it is saying?(not sarcastic, just curious)Lets try again .A SHIFT is when two or more players move PRIOR to the snap AFTER they have set,and assume a new position.Your whole argument is that two players cant move after they have been set and this is clearly wrong. If you put your ego aside and actually read the rules you would see what im saying.If the refs say that yoder and sellars moved to abruptly then i can see that.However to say that two players cant move after they have been set is just plain wrong.

A player is only considered in MOTION if he is moving when the ball is snapped.If he stops moving and resets himself for one second then it is a SHIFT.Those are two different things.Yesterday you said I was focusing on the word snap to much,but it would seem you are not focusing on it enough.The word snap is in that sentence of the rule for a reason.

I understand what you're saying, I think I misunderstood you before.