McNabb says black QBs criticized more

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

When you say white players are discriminated against that's exactly what you're saying. Not only that but you say that from HS all the way up there is systematic discrimination and that they simply don't get the chance they deserve. I'm not putting words in to your mouth here. It's plain, simple and quite clear.

Yes you are...I never once said white people are being held down in the NFL. Please pay attention to what I am saying and not making your own conclusions.
They are discriminated in basketball ONLY. Why are you lumping NFL and NBA in the same breathe? (and it's all you...not me...re-read if you have to) I have been very specific in saying that there is no racism in the NFL, black or white. That's what this topic is all about.

Ranked #1 eh? Lets do the simple math and stats...50 states in the country...that's 50 #1 players in the country...there are roughly 300 schools in the country and you're telling me not a single one of them wanted him? Not even a Division III school?

Well, no one came to him. The ones he went to (this is from who I recall, but I know there were more) Florida, Florida State, Miami U, SFU, Georgia U, Arkansas U, Cal, UCLA, NC State, and UMASS. All turned him down. All for players that were inferior (at least by rankings). It was wrong. This happens more than you think, but since it's not PC to talk about white people being discriminated against, no one hears about it. It doesn't make it any more wrong. Ken was 6'7" and had mad ball handling skills. No one could keep up with him. He was a track star too...and still no scholarship.
So, even by what you said, 50 states, so that means he's a top 50 player across the country, and how come no one offered a scholarship? Not a single team!!!!????

I'm curious as to who you think is keeping the white man down from making it big in bball? Maybe those with authority are flawed in their assessment of how good black, european and south american bball players are? You obviously have beef with the fact that NBA doesn't have enough white players so let's hear why that is and what you propose to alleviate the plight of white bball players.

I don't know how to answer that. It's a stigma put on white players so they are not given the chance.
I tell you this, I guarentee if black people wanted to play hockey, and were kept out, they would make a huge fuss until someone made a law / rule that allowed a certain amount in. Why do the white people in this case not get that kind of respect?

p.s. It's really hard for me to take you seriously when I consider the fact that the majority of high school, collegiate and professional coaches are white.

Because the majority are white, you are saying there isn't a stigma against the white player? WOW. So by your thoughts, every black coach should have a black qb. But I guess, since none of them do, then I can make the leap that they think black qb's aren't as good as white qb's? That's absurd.
Come on guys...it's obvious there is a thought out there that white people can't play as good as black people in basketball. This is nothing new.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes you are...I never once said white people are being held down in the NFL. Please pay attention to what I am saying and not making your own conclusions.
They are discriminated in basketball ONLY. Why are you lumping NFL and NBA in the same breathe? (and it's all you...not me...re-read if you have to) I have been very specific in saying that there is no racism in the NFL, black or white. That's what this topic is all about.





Well, no one came to him. The ones he went to (this is from who I recall, but I know there were more) Florida, Florida State, Miami U, SFU, Georgia U, Arkansas U, Cal, UCLA, NC State, and UMASS. All turned him down. All for players that were inferior (at least by rankings). It was wrong. This happens more than you think, but since it's not PC to talk about white people being discriminated against, no one hears about it. It doesn't make it any more wrong. Ken was 6'7" and had mad ball handling skills. No one could keep up with him. He was a track star too...and still no scholarship.
So, even by what you said, 50 states, so that means he's a top 50 player across the country, and how come no one offered a scholarship? Not a single team!!!!????



I don't know how to answer that. It's a stigma put on white players so they are not given the chance.
I tell you this, I guarentee if black people wanted to play hockey, and were kept out, they would make a huge fuss until someone made a law / rule that allowed a certain amount in. Why do the white people in this case not get that kind of respect?



Because the majority are white, you are saying there isn't a stigma against the white player? WOW. So by your thoughts, every black coach should have a black qb. But I guess, since none of them do, then I can make the leap that they think black qb's aren't as good as white qb's? That's absurd.
Come on guys...it's obvious there is a thought out there that white people can't play as good as black people in basketball. This is nothing new.

Eh I dunno if thats necessarily true. Granted, Black people do tend to be better in basketball but come on, wasn't the Dream Team getting spanked a few years ago by all these international teams. Made up of people who WEREN'T Black?

I believe if a White guy lives and breathes basketball, he's just as good or better than any Black player. I'm not even White and I think you guys aren't giving White guys enough credit. Granted, there are no White Jordan's but come on. Its not like every White dude out there stinks.

As for Ken, I mean those are the breaks. Sometimes a guy can go to a smaller school and not an NCAA school and still get drafted (Look at Sellers, eh?) Just cause Black guys get in and he doesn't, doesn't mean it's time to pull out the race card. Lots of good people get skipped over for other prospects. That's life.

Come on now, its 2007 I thought we were past all this petty race card shit.

[jsarno]

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;355218]Eh I dunno if thats necessarily true. Granted, Black people do tend to be better in basketball but come on, wasn't the Dream Team getting spanked a few years ago by all these international teams. Made up of people who WEREN'T Black?[quote]

Very good point...A LOT were white, yet none of them were signed on to NBA teams.

I believe if a White guy lives and breathes basketball, he's just as good or better than any Black player. I'm not even White and I think you guys aren't giving White guys enough credit. Granted, there are no White Jordan's but come on. Its not like every White dude out there stinks.

LOL...I don't think there will ever be another Jordan...that guy was flat out amazing. That being said, I thank you for your honest opinion, and appreciate your view.

As for Ken, I mean those are the breaks. Sometimes a guy can go to a smaller school and not an NCAA school and still get drafted (Look at Sellers, eh?) Just cause Black guys get in and he doesn't, doesn't mean it's time to pull out the race card. Lots of good people get skipped over for other prospects. That's life.

Well, he ended up going to Edison College and only played on the playground from there on out. It was quite a shame. If it happened to him, how many others did it happen to?

Come on now, its 2007 I thought we were past all this petty race card shit.

I absolutely agree...again, thank you for your comments, it was a good post.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yes you are...I never once said white people are being held down in the NFL. Please pay attention to what I am saying and not making your own conclusions.
They are discriminated in basketball ONLY. Why are you lumping NFL and NBA in the same breathe? (and it's all you...not me...re-read if you have to) I have been very specific in saying that there is no racism in the NFL, black or white. That's what this topic is all about.

So if we go by your logic one can presume, based on statistics, there is racism in hockey because not too many black people play it? How come you can make that leap about bball and I can't about hockey?

Lets turn our attention to baseball, there used to be lots of black players in the MLB but their numbers have been dwindling in the last few decades...why is that? It's discrimination that's why! MLB now prefers Latino players, especially those Cubans.

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, no one came to him. The ones he went to (this is from who I recall, but I know there were more) Florida, Florida State, Miami U, SFU, Georgia U, Arkansas U, Cal, UCLA, NC State, and UMASS. All turned him down. All for players that were inferior (at least by rankings). It was wrong. This happens more than you think, but since it's not PC to talk about white people being discriminated against, no one hears about it. It doesn't make it any more wrong. Ken was 6'7" and had mad ball handling skills. No one could keep up with him. He was a track star too...and still no scholarship.
So, even by what you said, 50 states, so that means he's a top 50 player across the country, and how come no one offered a scholarship? Not a single team!!!!????

Does that mean he was discriminated against? That's life man, it's a bitch! Sometimes the deserving don't get an opportunity. That goes both ways too. You obviously feel that this guy was given the shaft but then again you think state ranking alone should be good enough to give him a roster spot. I can play the same card too...Stanford U and UVA wouldn't accept me even though I had very good grades and I was sure I had good enough marks to get in. I can only guess they met their black quota...lol.

Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't know how to answer that. It's a stigma put on white players so they are not given the chance.
I tell you this, I guarentee if black people wanted to play hockey, and were kept out, they would make a huge fuss until someone made a law / rule that allowed a certain amount in. Why do the white people in this case not get that kind of respect?

I do believe you've just validated what McNabb was saying. If there's stigma against white bball players why can't there be stigma against black QBs in this day and age?

BTW black people don't play hockey (or most of the sports you don't see them play for that matter) is because a) the cost of entry is high and b) they'd rather play bball or football. Finally, speaking for myself and people I know, we think hockey sucks donkey-d*ck. Hockey is figure skating with sticks and one of the most boring sport ever. If you take a poll among black people nation wide I'm confidant they'll tell you the same thing.

Originally Posted by jsarno

Because the majority are white, you are saying there isn't a stigma against the white player? WOW. So by your thoughts, every black coach should have a black qb. But I guess, since none of them do, then I can make the leap that they think black qb's aren't as good as white qb's? That's absurd.
Come on guys...it's obvious there is a thought out there that white people can't play as good as black people in basketball. This is nothing new.

Don't turn this around on me, I'm not the one trashing coaches around the country by labeling them racist because they aren't willing to coach and play quality white players.

The world isn't black or white my friend, it's shades of gray.

p.s. I wonder what your take on J.J. Riddick saga is.