Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins?

chrisl13 · 09-26-2007, 01:50 PM

why does all the "I hate Gibbs" threads come out after we lose 1 game?

BleedBurgundy · 09-26-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl13

why does all the "I hate Gibbs" threads come out after we lose 1 game?

Well, physiologically speaking...

:cheeky-sm

Paintrain · 09-26-2007, 02:44 PM

I think the Joe Gibbs system is in place throughout the NFL as SS mentioned, but it's evolved over the past 10+ years whereas it seems that Gibbs has not. His aggressiveness 20 yrs ago is now commonplace play calling, even conservative by current standards. The fear of turnovers has replaced the ferocity he used to attack opponents with.

msm1971 · 09-26-2007, 04:04 PM

Hey folks, first time posting, long time reader.

Since I have been a fan for a long time I guess I can throw my 2 cents in about Coach Gibbs. The only question I have about Gibbs is (and it goes with last weeks game) this. Does Joe Gibbs have what it takes to run the score up on other teams? We all know how good hearted of a man he is and I have nothing but respect for him, but he is getting on in years and I just don't know if he would run a score up on a team. I think the players respect him, he is a hall of fame coach, and he did win us 3 SB. But would he do the same thing to the Giants that Andy Reid did to the Lions? I have a hard time believing that the Giants D turned a 180 in our visitor locker room. I think Gibbs fully believed that we were up by 14 points and it was time to start running out the clock. The goal line stance was another thing, Jason could have tried passing a safe one into the end zone instead of spiking the ball on first down if it had not worked then the clock is stopped with plenty of time, he had just made some really nice passes to get there. As for the last play I think we saw a young QB in him. QB's like Brady and P. Manning would have taken more time, but that didn't concern me as much as the lack of big open plays in the 2nd half, I think we could have put another 14 on the board, but again thats just me.

I am certainly not bashing Gibbs, I don't have the heart to do that, I have way too much repsect for him to ever get on him.

GhettoDogAllStars · 09-26-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by msm1971

Hey folks, first time posting, long time reader.

Since I have been a fan for a long time I guess I can throw my 2 cents in about Coach Gibbs. The only question I have about Gibbs is (and it goes with last weeks game) this. Does Joe Gibbs have what it takes to run the score up on other teams? We all know how good hearted of a man he is and I have nothing but respect for him, but he is getting on in years and I just don't know if he would run a score up on a team. I think the players respect him, he is a hall of fame coach, and he did win us 3 SB. But would he do the same thing to the Giants that Andy Reid did to the Lions? I have a hard time believing that the Giants D turned a 180 in our visitor locker room. I think Gibbs fully believed that we were up by 14 points and it was time to start running out the clock. The goal line stance was another thing, Jason could have tried passing a safe one into the end zone instead of spiking the ball on first down if it had not worked then the clock is stopped with plenty of time, he had just made some really nice passes to get there. As for the last play I think we saw a young QB in him. QB's like Brady and P. Manning would have taken more time, but that didn't concern me as much as the lack of big open plays in the 2nd half, I think we could have put another 14 on the board, but again thats just me.

I am certainly not bashing Gibbs, I don't have the heart to do that, I have way too much repsect for him to ever get on him.

Remember when Gibbs ran up the score on the 49ers in 2005?

USATODAY.com - Redskins golden vs. 49ers 52-17

I think he's still got it.

skinsnut68 · 09-28-2007, 12:09 PM

I don't think that Gibbs has changed that much, or that the game of football has changed much since 1992. But the Redskins as an organization have changed a lot.

Now, I love Gibbs and think he belongs in the HoF. But he's inherited a very different team now than he did in 1981. Although the 81 Skins had gone through three so-so seasons under Jack Pardee, they were still not far removed from the George Allen era, and many of the players had carried over from the 70s. There was still that sense of team and organizational pride, the rivalries still meant something (remember Theismann hot-dogging in the end zone against the Cowboys at the end of that MNF game that ended 9-5 in 1978? That was under Pardee!)

The Skins that Gibbs got in 2004 were a very different team. A culture of losing has become entrenched with this club. While the players we have today definitely have a strong sense of individual pride, I don't get any feeling of pride in the team or the Redskins organization. Some of that has to do with free agency, a lot with the difference between Jack Kent Cooke and Snyder, but most most with the culture of losing that's been around since Petibon's terrible '93 season.

I'm not sure how much Gibbs will be able to change that. His players now definitely don't respect him ten percent of what they did in 1983 or 1991. I think Snyder's finally getting the clue, though, that one thing this team desperately needs is continuity. Sadly, though, I think the Skins are a lot like the Cardinals now. Pretty much whoever you put in there is gonna lose.

09-26-2007, 01:50 PM	#1
chrisl13 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 2 Minutes away from Fedex Field, Maryland Posts: 363	Re: Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins? why does all the "I hate Gibbs" threads come out after we lose 1 game?

09-26-2007, 02:44 PM	#3
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins? I think the Joe Gibbs system is in place throughout the NFL as SS mentioned, but it's evolved over the past 10+ years whereas it seems that Gibbs has not. His aggressiveness 20 yrs ago is now commonplace play calling, even conservative by current standards. The fear of turnovers has replaced the ferocity he used to attack opponents with. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-26-2007, 04:04 PM	#4
msm1971 Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8	Re: Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins? Hey folks, first time posting, long time reader. Since I have been a fan for a long time I guess I can throw my 2 cents in about Coach Gibbs. The only question I have about Gibbs is (and it goes with last weeks game) this. Does Joe Gibbs have what it takes to run the score up on other teams? We all know how good hearted of a man he is and I have nothing but respect for him, but he is getting on in years and I just don't know if he would run a score up on a team. I think the players respect him, he is a hall of fame coach, and he did win us 3 SB. But would he do the same thing to the Giants that Andy Reid did to the Lions? I have a hard time believing that the Giants D turned a 180 in our visitor locker room. I think Gibbs fully believed that we were up by 14 points and it was time to start running out the clock. The goal line stance was another thing, Jason could have tried passing a safe one into the end zone instead of spiking the ball on first down if it had not worked then the clock is stopped with plenty of time, he had just made some really nice passes to get there. As for the last play I think we saw a young QB in him. QB's like Brady and P. Manning would have taken more time, but that didn't concern me as much as the lack of big open plays in the 2nd half, I think we could have put another 14 on the board, but again thats just me. I am certainly not bashing Gibbs, I don't have the heart to do that, I have way too much repsect for him to ever get on him.

09-28-2007, 12:09 PM	#6
skinsnut68 Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	Re: Why Doesn't "Gibbs' Football" Work for the Redskins? I don't think that Gibbs has changed that much, or that the game of football has changed much since 1992. But the Redskins as an organization have changed a lot. Now, I love Gibbs and think he belongs in the HoF. But he's inherited a very different team now than he did in 1981. Although the 81 Skins had gone through three so-so seasons under Jack Pardee, they were still not far removed from the George Allen era, and many of the players had carried over from the 70s. There was still that sense of team and organizational pride, the rivalries still meant something (remember Theismann hot-dogging in the end zone against the Cowboys at the end of that MNF game that ended 9-5 in 1978? That was under Pardee!) The Skins that Gibbs got in 2004 were a very different team. A culture of losing has become entrenched with this club. While the players we have today definitely have a strong sense of individual pride, I don't get any feeling of pride in the team or the Redskins organization. Some of that has to do with free agency, a lot with the difference between Jack Kent Cooke and Snyder, but most most with the culture of losing that's been around since Petibon's terrible '93 season. I'm not sure how much Gibbs will be able to change that. His players now definitely don't respect him ten percent of what they did in 1983 or 1991. I think Snyder's finally getting the clue, though, that one thing this team desperately needs is continuity. Sadly, though, I think the Skins are a lot like the Cardinals now. Pretty much whoever you put in there is gonna lose.

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