Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint?

jsarno · 10-01-2007, 12:14 AM

They should fire Turner and hire Spurrier. LOL.
(then put Petitbon and Robiskie on the staff!)

jsarno · 10-01-2007, 12:15 AM

I bet Bill Cowher will be enticed to the Chargers next year. How can someone NOT want to come out of retirement for such a talented team?

FRPLG · 10-01-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sometimes in the NFL (and in all sports) teams just don't play to the same level as they did the previous year. For what ever reason. They loose their edge. Humans are not machines. 14-2 is really really tough to do in the NFL. You have to be really good but you also have to have the ball bounce your way. It looks like the running game is sputtering and the passing came can't pick up the slack although today LT went off. They have a young QB who is turning it over and some WR's that are very questionable. Plus they made a bad mistake and let go of Donnie Edwards. Then you fire Marty and you loose both coordinators. Chargers had nowhere to go but down.

I'd say they're more than down and clearly not playing up to potential. That seems to be a theme for Norv's team.

Beemnseven · 10-01-2007, 07:38 AM

We cannot discount the Chargers defense though. Ted Cottrell was brought in, and I've heard that the San Diego defense is really what's different from last year. I'd bet the Chiefs don't score 30 points in a game for another two seasons.

Still, the team appears to suffer from the general malaise that Norv's teams are famous for. It's a long season though, and something tells me that the Bolts are going to right the ship at some point. There's just too much talent for it not to happen.

12thMan · 10-01-2007, 08:44 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, the Chargers probably lost their window of opportunity to play in a Super Bowl for the next several years. And this is the arrogance of AJ, in his mind this is a team that is 14-2, surely they canl bounce back and be just as good next year. Look at how Gruden has struggled since taking over Dungy's team in Tampa. Look how long it took Dungy with the same squad, same QB to finally get the Colts to a Super Bowl. Marty has been too close too many times for you not to let him ride this thing out for another two or three years. You don't get this close, and completely overhaul the front office. No way, no how.

I'll bet in ten -fifteen years from now, this will go down as the one of the worst GM moves ever. Better yet, I'll bet LT will put up with this crap for about another two years before he starts to demanding a trade.

SC Skins Fan · 10-01-2007, 09:12 AM

The most surprising thing to me is how poorly Phillip Rivers has played. I thought Norv would at least be able to maximize his potential. If he can't even get Rivers going then what is Norv "the QB guru" Turner good for? Its gonna get ugly in SD pretty quickly. Losing to the Chiefs at home might just bring the whole house down.

Daseal · 10-01-2007, 09:24 AM

As far as working with Phillip Rivers, I think you need to give him more than four weeks to make big strides. I think their offense is a bit down, but their defense is the big problem. They are getting torched.

MTK · 10-01-2007, 09:28 AM

Rivers is still a young QB and Marty ball really kept him handcuffed for the most part last year, and probably wisely so.

I think the Chargers will get on track eventually but it better be soon for their sake.

12thMan · 10-01-2007, 09:36 AM

It seems like a lot of the younger QBs are coming back down to earth this year. Rivers, Alex Smith, Leinart...

Dlyne8r · 10-01-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah norv was a rediculous choice, but marty would be tough to be around... he's kind of a douchebag.

they have the talent, but bringing in norv was stupid. There were many much better coaches they couldve gone after... including jim mora jr, who I think wouldve fit there much better...

Are you kidding me?? Mora Jr. can't keep his mouth shut and he'd be shopping himself for another gig if he failed (and he would) to produce after a season or two. Plus, he's always got some players jock to sniff and can't seem to put the whole team's interests ahead of his "star" players (i.e.-Michael Vick).

12thMan · 10-01-2007, 10:52 AM

So now the question is, where does Marty coach next?

Redskins247 · 10-01-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

So now the question is, where does Marty coach next?

GIANTS??? although if they keep playing like they did last night...maybe ole tommy keeps his job for 1 more year...haha

GTripp0012 · 10-01-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sometimes in the NFL (and in all sports) teams just don't play to the same level as they did the previous year. For what ever reason. They loose their edge. Humans are not machines. 14-2 is really really tough to do in the NFL. You have to be really good but you also have to have the ball bounce your way. It looks like the running game is sputtering and the passing came can't pick up the slack although today LT went off. They have a young QB who is turning it over and some WR's that are very questionable. Plus they made a bad mistake and let go of Donnie Edwards. Then you fire Marty and you loose both coordinators. Chargers had nowhere to go but down.

Great post.

Look, Norv is not a good coach, and he's not going to do his team any favors strategically. But if his offenses were able to overcome his lack of motivation (which they clearly did), then theres no way we can blame him for what's happening to his defense or offensive line. Losing his coordinator contributed, but this defensive collapse was predictable by statistical formula (notice the date).

Now should Norv collect some blame for what's happening on the offensive end? Some, yes for sure. But I believe that given time, Rivers is going to get very hot and this team will win 8-9 games this year, which isn't too bad by any standard (also not too good by any standard).

People like to credit Norv for natural player progression, and blame him for natural unit regression, even though he likely has little to do with neither.

He just happens to be an uninspired coach trying to make a living. He is not going to hurt or help his teams win or lose. Thus, it's up to the team leaders to get this ship righted in SD.

JWsleep · 10-01-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Rivers is still a young QB and Marty ball really kept him handcuffed for the most part last year, and probably wisely so.

I think the Chargers will get on track eventually but it better be soon for their sake.

An argument for conservative play-calling with a young QB? Just thinking...

jgalecpa · 10-01-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is anyone really surprised??

I mean c'mon... It's NORV!!

LOL

Amen.

This is the guy who was deemed "An offensive Genius" for winning with a team comprised of Troy Aikman, Emmit Smith and Michael Irving.

It doesn't take a genius to win with that talent.

It takes a genius to win with a Mark Rypien.

Norv stank up every head coaching job he's had. He's 3 for 3 now.

I know you can't replicate 14-2, but you shouldn't fall so fast.

J-Dawg

10-01-2007, 12:14 AM	#16
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? They should fire Turner and hire Spurrier. LOL. (then put Petitbon and Robiskie on the staff!) __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

10-01-2007, 12:15 AM	#17
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? I bet Bill Cowher will be enticed to the Chargers next year. How can someone NOT want to come out of retirement for such a talented team? __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

10-01-2007, 07:38 AM	#19
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 51 Posts: 5,311	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? We cannot discount the Chargers defense though. Ted Cottrell was brought in, and I've heard that the San Diego defense is really what's different from last year. I'd bet the Chiefs don't score 30 points in a game for another two seasons. Still, the team appears to suffer from the general malaise that Norv's teams are famous for. It's a long season though, and something tells me that the Bolts are going to right the ship at some point. There's just too much talent for it not to happen.

10-01-2007, 08:44 AM	#20
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? I'm going to go out on a limb here, the Chargers probably lost their window of opportunity to play in a Super Bowl for the next several years. And this is the arrogance of AJ, in his mind this is a team that is 14-2, surely they canl bounce back and be just as good next year. Look at how Gruden has struggled since taking over Dungy's team in Tampa. Look how long it took Dungy with the same squad, same QB to finally get the Colts to a Super Bowl. Marty has been too close too many times for you not to let him ride this thing out for another two or three years. You don't get this close, and completely overhaul the front office. No way, no how. I'll bet in ten -fifteen years from now, this will go down as the one of the worst GM moves ever. Better yet, I'll bet LT will put up with this crap for about another two years before he starts to demanding a trade.

10-01-2007, 09:12 AM	#21
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? The most surprising thing to me is how poorly Phillip Rivers has played. I thought Norv would at least be able to maximize his potential. If he can't even get Rivers going then what is Norv "the QB guru" Turner good for? Its gonna get ugly in SD pretty quickly. Losing to the Chiefs at home might just bring the whole house down. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

10-01-2007, 09:24 AM	#22
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? As far as working with Phillip Rivers, I think you need to give him more than four weeks to make big strides. I think their offense is a bit down, but their defense is the big problem. They are getting torched. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-01-2007, 09:28 AM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? Rivers is still a young QB and Marty ball really kept him handcuffed for the most part last year, and probably wisely so. I think the Chargers will get on track eventually but it better be soon for their sake. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-01-2007, 09:36 AM	#24
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? It seems like a lot of the younger QBs are coming back down to earth this year. Rivers, Alex Smith, Leinart...

10-01-2007, 10:52 AM	#26
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Norvel...Why Has Thou Stunk-Up Joint? So now the question is, where does Marty coach next?

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