Portis and Betts: Should We Just Stick With Portis?

Southpaw · 10-08-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

Nah, I wasn't really trying to compare Portis to Hicks in regard to talent... but as to a scat back with the Redskins... I like a smash mouth... and yes, I was comparing Betts to Stephen Davis from his early days here in DC.

Please tell me people's memories are not so short to remember how lowly we thought of Davis in the early days.

So now Portis is a scat back... I don't understand why people still have the impression that Betts is this bruising power back. Does anyone recall the play yesterday when Betts was running straight up the gut, and got blown up on a high tackle? Any "power" back in the league should have an advantage on a high tackle when the supposed power back is running downhill with a head of steam, but Betts got knocked two yards backwards.

And Betts isn't exactly in his "early" days. He's been in the league for six years now, which means over half his career is over. Running backs aren't really known for 10+ year careers.

Redskin Rich · 10-08-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

So now Portis is a scat back... I don't understand why people still have the impression that Betts is this bruising power back. Does anyone recall the play yesterday when Betts was running straight up the gut, and got blown up on a high tackle? Any "power" back in the league should have an advantage on a high tackle when the supposed power back is running downhill with a head of steam, but Betts got knocked two yards backwards.

And Betts isn't exactly in his "early" days. He's been in the league for six years now, which means over half his career is over. Running backs aren't really known for 10+ year careers.

Didn't Betts run for 1100+ yards in just part of the season last year??? I am a little forgetful in my old age... how many years was Davis a back up to Terry Allen, and then a full back to Skip Hicks before he became "The Man"?????

SmootSmack · 10-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Redskin Rich, did Portis not sign a football for you or something? Seems like you have a lot of actual hate for Portis.

12thMan · 10-08-2007, 01:27 PM

I should have known this thread was going to turn into Portis v. Betts.

SmootSmack · 10-08-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I should have known this thread was going to turn into Portis v. Betts.

It's funny, we complain about lack of depth. But when we have it, such as with our running back situation we find ways to complain about that too.

Southpaw · 10-08-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

Didn't Betts run for 1100+ yards in just part of the season last year??? I am a little forgetful in my old age... how many years was Davis a back up to Terry Allen, and then a full back to Skip Hicks before he became "The Man"?????

Betts has 2.7 a carry this season, and he's never been to fond of the endzone. He got 1100+ yards in an entire season last year. He had the majority of the carries in about 10 of those games. He had a nice stretch at the end when the line was healthy and playing lights out in regards to run blocking. Do you think it's coincidence that since the two of the better run blockers on the line have been injured, Betts is almost completely ineffective?

And Davis was a backup for three years. Betts didn't crack the starting lineup until his fifth season, but again, what does Stephen Davis have to do with Betts? While Betts looks like he should run with power, Davis actually was a power back.

MTK · 10-08-2007, 01:40 PM

What are we even arguing about??

Portis is having a good year. Why is that not enough?

Southpaw · 10-08-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I should have known this thread was going to turn into Portis v. Betts.

I apologize for my part in that, but it's tough for me to just sit here and watch people throw out ridiculous claims that have no basis in fact.

Sean Taylor · 10-08-2007, 02:19 PM

I think that Portis should get more carries. Betts is OK but he's more of screen pass type of guy to me. He has shown the ability in the past but I think Portis is the guy unless he's hurting or needs a breather.

No matter what Sellers is the ONLY option in short yardage and goaline situations. Did you see his carry 3 linebackers into the endzone??

Makes me really pissed off that Betts got the call against the G-men......

Redskin Rich · 10-08-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Redskin Rich, did Portis not sign a football for you or something? Seems like you have a lot of actual hate for Portis.

lol... that was good smoot... no, I never met Portis... nor tried to.... I am not that big on the current guys.

I think of the Redskins as a North South running team. I also think that Portis has been run hard over the years and his best days are behind him.

12thMan · 10-08-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Rich

lol... that was good smoot... no, I never met Portis... nor tried to.... I am not that big on the current guys.

I think of the Redskins as a North South running team. I also think that Portis has been run hard over the years and his best days are behind him.

His best days are behind him at what 26 yrs old?

Oh, and I know your response to that. He's a very old 26 yrs old, right?

MTRedskinsFan · 10-08-2007, 02:35 PM

LOL. Seems like every thread on the ground game turns into Portis v. Betts. The two-back system is working OK but it's not dominant. The reason is Betts is one of those backs who needs a lot of carries to begin reading the defense. Others have said it and he's admitted it. Betts isn't the best guy to come in once every few plays and be real productive. Sellers does it because he's so damn powerful. I think Portis should continue to get the bulk of carries, Sellers more in short and goal line, and Betts in screens and passes (he does have better hands than CP).

All that said, Betts is a huge factor. If CP gets hurt Betts can be real productive just like last year. Everyone wants to think of him as a power but he got real talent to avoid tacklers in close quarters once he gets in the groove. He did it over and over again last year. Also, Betts really seems like a back that could turn out like a Tiki for us. Seriously! CP will be long gone before Betts and he just keeps learning. I think when it's his time to take the bulk of carries in our downhill running game Betts will really impress (again).

12thMan · 10-08-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

LOL. Seems like every thread on the ground game turns into Portis v. Betts. The two-back system is working OK but it's not dominant. The reason is Betts is one of those backs who needs a lot of carries to begin reading the defense. Others have said it and he's admitted it. Betts isn't the best guy to come in once every few plays and be real productive. Sellers does it because he's so damn powerful. I think Portis should continue to get the bulk of carries, Sellers more in short and goal line, and Betts in screens and passes (he does have better hands than CP).

All that said, Betts is a huge factor. If CP gets hurt Betts can be real productive just like last year. Everyone wants to think of him as a power but he got real talent to avoid tacklers in close quarters once he gets in the groove. He did it over and over again last year. Also, Betts really seems like a back that could turn out like a Tiki for us. Seriously! CP will be long gone before Betts and he just keeps learning. I think when it's his time to take the bulk of carries in our downhill running game Betts will really impress (again).

No one is really aruguing Portis v. Betts. At least I'm not. And I started the thread. I just want to see Portis get most of the carries instead of splitting them. I think he's one of those guys that get's better as you get into the fourth quarter. That's taking nothing away from Ladell Betts at all.

skinsfan69 · 10-08-2007, 02:49 PM

Here we go again w/ Portis and Betts! I think the rotation we are currently doing is just fine. If CP can get 17-20 carries and if Betts can get 8- 10 then that's ideal. Both guys are productive but Portis is w/out question the better back.

Why does this argument always come up? Can't fans just be happy that we have 2 good backs? Actually we have 3 cause Rock runs it well too.

The Zimmermans · 10-08-2007, 02:51 PM

the two back competition keeps the guys fighting for extra yard....it's not like a lot of the nfl isnt doing the same thing.....i mean christ....turner had a big day yesterday

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10-08-2007, 02:19 PM	#54
Sean Taylor Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Union, NJ Age: 46 Posts: 72	Re: Portis and Betts: Should We Just Stick With Portis? I think that Portis should get more carries. Betts is OK but he's more of screen pass type of guy to me. He has shown the ability in the past but I think Portis is the guy unless he's hurting or needs a breather. No matter what Sellers is the ONLY option in short yardage and goaline situations. Did you see his carry 3 linebackers into the endzone?? Makes me really pissed off that Betts got the call against the G-men......

10-08-2007, 02:35 PM	#57
MTRedskinsFan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 359	Re: Portis and Betts: Should We Just Stick With Portis? LOL. Seems like every thread on the ground game turns into Portis v. Betts. The two-back system is working OK but it's not dominant. The reason is Betts is one of those backs who needs a lot of carries to begin reading the defense. Others have said it and he's admitted it. Betts isn't the best guy to come in once every few plays and be real productive. Sellers does it because he's so damn powerful. I think Portis should continue to get the bulk of carries, Sellers more in short and goal line, and Betts in screens and passes (he does have better hands than CP). All that said, Betts is a huge factor. If CP gets hurt Betts can be real productive just like last year. Everyone wants to think of him as a power but he got real talent to avoid tacklers in close quarters once he gets in the groove. He did it over and over again last year. Also, Betts really seems like a back that could turn out like a Tiki for us. Seriously! CP will be long gone before Betts and he just keeps learning. I think when it's his time to take the bulk of carries in our downhill running game Betts will really impress (again).

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skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,450	Re: Portis and Betts: Should We Just Stick With Portis? Here we go again w/ Portis and Betts! I think the rotation we are currently doing is just fine. If CP can get 17-20 carries and if Betts can get 8- 10 then that's ideal. Both guys are productive but Portis is w/out question the better back. Why does this argument always come up? Can't fans just be happy that we have 2 good backs? Actually we have 3 cause Rock runs it well too.

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