Why all the complaining?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

My statement was a general statement toward a high majority of Redskins fans who kept crying in '05 for a new OC. But, I would assume if one applauded the move, then one supported it. I, personally, felt it was the wrong move. We made the playoffs under Joe Gibbs' offense with less weapons and a quarterback who most complained couldn't pass deep. We obviously have more offensive weapons now, so it seems to me it would've made more sense to have gotten the guys we had gotten (minus Brandon Lloyd,) and kept the same offense that took us deep into the playoffs the year before.

But, I did (and still do) go along with it, because Gibbs did state that Saunders was brought in to enhance the existing offense, but not to completely go away from it. So again, I ask, if we haven't went away from the offense we had purely with Gibbs, we should've just kept Gibbs offense in and focused on that.

Yes, one can support the decision that was made, even if one wasn't originally calling for it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

What I saw today was a lot more Joe Gibbs conservatism in the game plan than the Al Saunders offenses that I remember from STL and KC. I'm fine with conservatism if it's working. It was a beautiful thing when Portis bludgeoned teams down the stretch of '05, but we are not seeing the kind of production with that approach for THIS team. If conservatism is not working, I'd like to see more of a Saunders-styled game plan, that often used the passing game to set up subsequent running success in his previous stops. This would have been a 14 point win with any second half production from the offense.

And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.

During that 5-game stretch, we also saw intensity and determination that hasn't been matched before or since.

There's been a lot of half-assing it if you ask me.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

During that 5-game stretch, we also saw intensity and determination that hasn't been matched before or since.

There's been a lot of half-assing it if you ask me.

And those players need to do a better job.

[skinsfan_nn]

Bottom line, patch work O-LINE......yea, bad day at the office.

The D stepped it UP! We WON THE DAMN game! THE END.......4-2, beats the hell outta 3-3 PERIOD! We have given both losses away on a golden platter. We got a little gift here from no rackers! It should have NEVER COME down to that anyway!

TAKE IT AND BE HAPPY!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

And that's what I find troubling ...

Which was my point in posting it.. Gibbs seemingly is satisfied with squatting on 2 TD leads despite losing so many leads in his 2nd stint..

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And again, you have to ask, why were we playing conservative. Our freakin' offensive line. Why did Joe Gibbs' offense work in '05? Because we had our offensive line intact. It's that simple.

And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

And I argue that it's foolish to try to go smashmouth with the O-line in shambles. I've said it before, and it bears repeating, you can spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets to create more running lanes. Today was an obvious lack of willingness to adjust on offense, and it probably should have cost us the game.

Doesn't matter if you spread the offense or not, if your offensive line is in shambles, none of it is going to work. If opening running lanes was the only problem with our OL, then we could work around that, but pass protection is also suspect now because of our OL being injured.

[ncskinsfanec]

A win is a win, BABY! It really doesn't matter how you win in the NFL, it is a grind it out league with absolutely no style points rewarded. If we can get Wade and Rabach back next week the offense should look a lot more cohesive. The defense is just night and day from last season, Fletcher and Landry have been steller additions. I know we've got New England next week, but I think a win is still very possible! Quite a few teams would take 4-2 right now in a heartbeat, that's for sure!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Dude, you refuted your own argument. Injuries are not injuries. The Skins have lost two starting offensive linemen for the year and then Wade got hurt last week and was playing with an injured groin this week. Rabach went down last week and didn't play. Pete Kendall is apparently dealing with a hamstring problem and played at less than 100%. So the Skins played with two of the five guys they started the year with and two of the five that did play were playing hurt. If you lose a d-lineman, an RB, and a safety that hurts (but not to the Pats) but if you lose freaking three offensive linemen that f's up your whole offense. Show me another team playing with a patchwork line like the Skins? Oh yeah, the 0-7 Rams and the Ravens. Either of those offenses doing anything at all? The o-line makes the whole thing go man and you lose all those players and it changes everything on offense.

So do you think the gameplan the offensive coaches had today is going to work next week?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Doesn't matter if you spread the offense or not, if your offensive line is in shambles, none of it is going to work. If opening running lanes was the only problem with our OL, then we could work around that, but pass protection is also suspect now because of our OL being injured.

So by your logic, nothing will work until the O-line gets healthy. If that's the case, then we might as well mail in the season now. I prefer to think that you can get creative to try to make something happen. We haven't seen Randle El or Portis throw an option pass all season. We haven't seen Saunders try to roll the pocket to one side to buy Campbell more time on deeper pass plays. We haven't tried no huddle to prevent defensive substitutions, possibly resulting in mismatches. I noticed when we did go jumbo today, Thrash was the lone WR in that package (instead of Moss). That strikes ZERO fear in opposing safeties, who may as well put 9 in the box against that package. The only thing that I saw on offense today was coaching scared.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Which was my point in posting it.. Gibbs seemingly is satisfied with squatting on 2 TD leads despite losing so many leads in his 2nd stint..

Save the complaining for another day, if I'm not mistaking we did win the game! We're are 4-2, right in the thick of the NFC East title race! This beats the you know what out of last season, don't you think?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm just amazed that people seem to be shocked that the offense is sputtering with 3 starters out on the offensive line and two others banged up. Samuels is our only healthy starter right now.

Anyone recall the Green Bay game at the end when we couldn't even get a pass off??

Considering how poor the line play was last week I think Buges and company did as good of a job as he could have getting a patchwork line together today.

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

Banged up? Um we were without 3/5 of our starters, That is more than banged up. To be 4-2 with our line issues is remarkable I think. What is particularly weird about your statement is the whole Fabini used to be a starte thing. So what? Sammy Baugh used to kick everyones' ass at like 4 different positions. Doesn't mean he can do it today. Fabini is awful. He did't used to be but now he is. He is no better than a spot duty guy and he is starting for us now. Sometimes excuses are simply reality.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

100% agree. Remember our line is 4/5 new from last year and down 3/5 of the starters from opening day. It is destroying our offense.

Today:

-Cooley was kept in for pass protection far more than normal.
-Sellers and Co. were kept tighter for pass protection.
-We took no shots downfield because they coaches were afraid we couldn't pass block for any extended period of time. Gibbs said as much in his post game presser
-Our run blocking was average and with the lack of any downdfield attack they were able to devote their front 7 to run stopping almost singularly.

So we coulcnd't run because of bad not so great run blocking and the lack of any pass threat and we had no pass threat because we couldn't pass protect.

All in all our line is killing us and nothing will get better until we get healthy there.

Interesting note: Joe Jacoby said he thought Pucillo missed a lot of line adjustments whih to me is to be expected from the backup center who hasn;t played there in awhile.

Having Rabach out is huge, not only is a superior blocker than Puccillo but he's great at making all the line calls.