Redskins vs. Patriots game thread

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I realize I am being bush league and immature, but I would not have been very upset if Grilliams had told his players to keep going after the whistle and hit Brady in the mouth after the play was over.

Well two wrongs don't make a right...but I agree.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I need to own up.
I am a lifetime Gibbs fan but I made the statement unless there was a dramatic move in offensive philosophy this game to deal with the OLine issues....such as change the starters or go heavy shotgun/hurry up, I would lose faith in him...
Well....not only did Gibbs not adjust the offense, GW didn't either.

Guys....it is not just player performance.
The coaches did not put the players in a position to compete with better talent.
This was obvious to all of us...and we don't get 5 million a year.

I have officially off the "give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt" bandwagon.

You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.

Good post

[jrtmolar]

why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jrtmolar

why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?

Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jrtmolar

why cant JC and the offense do what the Pats did to us? Brady completed what seemed like 100 passes to the middle of the field, about 7-8 yards long. He got rid of the ball quickly. Why cant we do this?

If it were that easy why doesn't the whole damn league do it??

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.

And that, folks, pretty much sums it up.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.

This is only partially true.
He wasn't slinging it under center all day.
He was in the shotgun...it gives him better vision and more time.
Those are a couple things a young qb can benefit from...especially with a depleted oline.

Cmon....lets get serious.
Not going shotgun at all with a crappy line is a recipe for disaster...when they tried that in combo with a hurry up they scored a TD....now I know it was late....but why do they only try "new" ideas when it doesn't matter?

They should have opened that way....you know the Colts will!
Im not comparing us with them, since we need to stay pretty balanced....but damn...we cant run from standard formations anyways....it was obvious last week we needed a major change on the line or a change in formations.
Shotgun draws work great with a back like portis anyways.

I am very disappointed in this basic adjustment not being made against superior talent. I am losing faith in my hero Gibbs

[jsarno]

that was just flat out a superior team...hopefully they will have issues come the end of the season...they are one of the most healthy teams out there.

[SmootSmack]

We went shotgun twice in the first drive. We had three first downs on that drive. One was thanks to the shotgun. And the other time we went shotgun in that drive Campbell threw a bad pass to Cooley (may have been tipped) and we punted

Our second drive we went three and out

Third drive we went shotgun twice. Similar to the first drive, one got us a first down and the other was incomplete and forced a punt

That's the first three drives, shotgun formation 4 times. So yeah we don't use the shotgun the way the Pats do. But it's not like we never use it, or wait until the end of the game to go shotgun.

[Southtown15]

I wonder if the restraints he supposedly took off Al Saunders were really taken off. The offense is so bland. There is no creativity.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Because their O-line isn't playing like trash due to injury, JC (as much as I like him) isn't Tom Brady, and our wide receiving corps isn't as deep or good as the Pats.

Sorry, but a trio of Santana Moss, Randle El, Llyod should be the best in the league, and they are total underachievers. O line depletion hurts big time, but doesn't excuse lousy play or playcalling. JC might not be our "savior" at QB after all and might end up like Ramsey.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You need the personnel to do those things. The Skins did come out and try got throw the ball today. You didn't see them going run, run, pass, punt. They could not apparently get open downfield, however, and JC held the ball, got hit, and fumbled. You don't think those plays where he fumbled were downfield patterns? What do you want? What you saw today was a perfect example of why it is so important for the Skins to run the ball and why their inability to do so might just kill their season. They just are not good enough throwing the ball right now to go and do so consistently. The result is getting yourself into 2nd and 3rd and long situations which is just setting yourself up for failure. There is only so much a coaching staff can do. Remember also that bringing in a new coaching staff means a new offense, a new defense, turnover in personnel, etc. There is no magic bullet here fellas. If I were the coaching staff I wouldn't even have the players watch film of the Pats game. I would just move on to the Jets and put this game in the past forever. I'm sure others will disagree, but that is my opinion.

I don't agree. We do have the personnell to have a wide open passing attack. Sure Llyod is a waste now, but Moss posted OK numbers finally, as did Randle El. We need Caldwell and McCardell in the mix. With all of these guys we have a very deep WR corp. Our top tier O line is banged up, but it should not affect our offensive performance so dramatically as it has. Our coaching staff is totally overpaid and overhyped. You say to forget this game and move on. I agree with that, but folks need to also forget Gibbs I and move on also. In that I mean this "Gibbs is God, Gibbs is unfallible crap should go with it as well. Gibbs and co were schooled today, and didn't even make any adjustments to mount any sort of comeback or at least try and make it half way competitive.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Sorry, but a trio of Santana Moss, Randle El, Llyod should be the best in the league, and they are total underachievers. O line depletion hurts big time, but doesn't excuse lousy play or playcalling. JC might not be our "savior" at QB after all and might end up like Ramsey.

I think you are really overestimating our talent at WR.

Moss had one great year in 2005. Randle El has shown some flashes but Lloyd?? C'mon, enough with people riding his worthless jock.

I think we may need to look long and hard at our WR group next offseason. I'm really starting to lose my faith in Moss as a true #1 WR.

[dgack]

First of all, let me just say that all this "Campbell is our savior" talk was ridiculous to begin with. But if you're going to go that way, at least give the guy enough time to prove what kind of QB he's going to be. The kid hasn't even played 16 NFL games yet.