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Old 10-29-2007, 03:45 PM   #1
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No run game, beat up o-line, hamstrung WRs with dropitis, and some tough Ds--don't know how much sending JC into a deep shot-gun drop will help. But we'll see. He's got to improve his reads and his accuracy, but that will come, IMO.

I've liked him all year in 2-minute--maybe we'll start to see a bit more of that, some no huddle and such. But it's a long-term growth process. Asking him to win it all by himslef now won't do it, I think. But as the coaches get more confidence in him, he'll get more plays.
Why do people equate opening up the offense to 'deep shotgun drop' or 'throwing bombs every play'? Yes, there is a significant vertical aspect to that but opening up the offense also means-
-Running the no huddle in non 2 minute drill situations
-Throwing the ball intermediately rather than 4 yard outs
-Designed roll outs
-Being unpredictable on 1st and 2nd down
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:30 PM   #2
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Why do people equate opening up the offense to 'deep shotgun drop' or 'throwing bombs every play'? Yes, there is a significant vertical aspect to that but opening up the offense also means-
-Running the no huddle in non 2 minute drill situations
-Throwing the ball intermediately rather than 4 yard outs
-Designed roll outs
-Being unpredictable on 1st and 2nd down
HOORAY!!!
Someone nailed it here!

now...if only we thought of mild creativity before playing the best team in the NFL
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:11 PM   #3
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Why do people equate opening up the offense to 'deep shotgun drop' or 'throwing bombs every play'? Yes, there is a significant vertical aspect to that but opening up the offense also means-
-Running the no huddle in non 2 minute drill situations
-Throwing the ball intermediately rather than 4 yard outs
-Designed roll outs
-Being unpredictable on 1st and 2nd down
Pain nice job with this, I haven't been overly impressed with Campbell but to be fair with the kid how much can be laid at Gibbs door step? We see the same problems with every QB that comes in, I think Gibbs has lost his mind at this point he is paranoid with conservative offense, playing not to lose is for losers, period!
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No run game, beat up o-line, hamstrung WRs with dropitis, and some tough Ds--don't know how much sending JC into a deep shot-gun drop will help. But we'll see. He's got to improve his reads and his accuracy, but that will come, IMO.

I've liked him all year in 2-minute--maybe we'll start to see a bit more of that, some no huddle and such. But it's a long-term growth process. Asking him to win it all by himslef now won't do it, I think. But as the coaches get more confidence in him, he'll get more plays.
I completely agree....combine that with shotgun to protect him...run some portis draws too....hold back portis iin to protect with a late release.
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At the risk of this devolving into another 'conservative playcalling' thread, has the way the offense been called and executed accelerated Campbell's development curve or do you think he's been held back too much??

From JLa's blog today, the Skins now rank 28th in total offense. 25th in yards per rush (3.5) and 25th in passing yards per game. They are 28th in first downs and 22nd in points per game (18). The offense has 13 touchdowns through 7 games.

I am going to agree ahead of time that the offensive line issues have an impact on the offense and the rankings.. With the exception of yesterday and the 2nd half of the Packers game however, they have done a very good job of protecting Campbell.. Since pass protection seems to be what they do better than pushing the pile, should we put the ball in Campbell's hands more, open up the offense and let playmakers make plays in the 2nd half of the season and let him put us into the playoffs or keep doing what we've been doing and hope for better results?

It seems like Campbell is so handcuffed (and Moss alluded to that overall in a postgame interview yesterday) that he's trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.
I think this is a great thread.

I've studied QB progression very extensively, and I can tell you that what goes on in games is such a miniscule factor of a QB's development that it's basically a variable that you can just write off.

A lot more of how a QB develops has to do with how many practice reps he gets, and how often he gets those reps.

Campbell has made significant improvement over last season. You can see it in his completion percentage, even in games when he fails. He's now a consistent 60% passer even when the shit hits the fan around him.

His teammates have major control over his declining yards per attempt, specifically the blocking. I believe that will improve as soon as the blocking does. He can go off any week now.

Campbell has shown signs of inexperience, but most of his failures seem to be ones that are directly tied to the guys around him. When their play improves, you'll see Campbell's TD/INT numbers jump through the roof.

And it's all because of the specific personal improvement he has dedicated to getting his completion % up.
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:03 PM   #6
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Bet the Ravens wish they had kept Anderson now...or maybe not.

A healthy Braylon Edwards has been huge though
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:09 PM   #7
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Braylon is sick, he was in the heisman talk for a while
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Our offense is do in large part because Joe doesn't want to RISK any turnovers. Its a high % offense with limited risk, which limits the down field throws and puts much more pressure on cambell to take those shots when they are called and much more pressure to complete them causing over throws or under throws. He is never really in any kind of rhythm in regards to throws of 20+ yards. Its hard to have an effective offense when the reigns are always pulled so tight. With the offensive talent we have we should be able to move the ball mathatically down the field. Eventually Joe must learn that lining up two TE for max protect and 2 WR for routes isnt' working. His big sets to run the ball is fairly predictable. I can think of very few plays this year where I said "wow, wasn't expecting that!" We are very predictable, which enables the defense to take risks knowing whats coming. This year seems to have reverted back to the 2004 antient offensive system. I can only pay coach Joe allows Al to get into a playcalling rythym with AL's plays.
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Yeah, Derek Anderson is starting this year.....not understanding you i guess
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Back to JC, he definitely has looked off these past two weeks. I still have faith in him, but my once rock-solid belief that we was a Pro Bowler in the making has been shaken.
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Hey, it's a process here. He's not a pro-bowler yet, and no doubt the jury is still out. The next few games are mighty big for JC. The main thing, IMO, is to eliminate the TOs and hit the 3rd down reads better. I don't need the sudden long-bomb thing--that's going to take more time, especially given the o-line.

The whole team from top to bottom got spanked yesterday--don't think it's the best thing to do to judge JC on this. Better, look at his RESPONSE to this. That will tell us much more, I believe.
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Hey, it's a process here. He's not a pro-bowler yet, and no doubt the jury is still out. The next few games are mighty big for JC. The main thing, IMO, is to eliminate the TOs and hit the 3rd down reads better. I don't need the sudden long-bomb thing--that's going to take more time, especially given the o-line.

The whole team from top to bottom got spanked yesterday--don't think it's the best thing to do to judge JC on this. Better, look at his RESPONSE to this. That will tell us much more, I believe.

We need him to play consistently before predicting Pro Bowl status yet. It will be a couple seasons at least til he gets to that level with the scrubs we have at WR now. We need to dump Llyod and maybe even Moss if he continues his quiet streak.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:08 PM   #13
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Hey, the guy threw a TD at the end, in a thoroughly humiliating undressing that ANYBODY could have been excused for sitting out the rest of. I'd say that speaks volumes to start off with.
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At the risk of this devolving into another 'conservative playcalling' thread, has the way the offense been called and executed accelerated Campbell's development curve or do you think he's been held back too much??

From JLa's blog today, the Skins now rank 28th in total offense. 25th in yards per rush (3.5) and 25th in passing yards per game. They are 28th in first downs and 22nd in points per game (18). The offense has 13 touchdowns through 7 games.

I am going to agree ahead of time that the offensive line issues have an impact on the offense and the rankings.. With the exception of yesterday and the 2nd half of the Packers game however, they have done a very good job of protecting Campbell.. Since pass protection seems to be what they do better than pushing the pile, should we put the ball in Campbell's hands more, open up the offense and let playmakers make plays in the 2nd half of the season and let him put us into the playoffs or keep doing what we've been doing and hope for better results?

It seems like Campbell is so handcuffed (and Moss alluded to that overall in a postgame interview yesterday) that he's trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.
Pass protection is a problem. So how about ( I have mentioned this before) putting JC in shotgun on 1st down instead of 3rd and long? How about running play action passes out of shotgun? Or how about running playaction and then run the screen off of it? NE did this to us yesterday for a big gains. It's like we have no creativity on offense what so ever. I honestly hate our offense and I know this is not Al Sanders offense. This is Gibbs dictating to him.

Interesting commets by Sanders last week. He said it was a staff decision to pull back and let the defense win the game. Then he said to Kelli Johnson from Sportsnet, "Well you know me, I'm aggressive by nature." He sort said it with a chuckle. He basically said he didn't want to pull back but he just went along with what the other guys wanted.

Gibbs and his gang just need to be removed from any playcalling/game planning all together. Enough is enough. Let Al do it since that is why he is getting paid 2 million a year. I didn't see this crap going on it KC. All they had were Holmes and Tony G. ( not to mention a nice o-line) and they were in the top 5 in offense every year. Who were the wr's? Eddie Kennison? C'mon. Its time to let him do it his way.
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Pass protection is a problem. So how about ( I have mentioned this before) putting JC in shotgun on 1st down instead of 3rd and long? How about running play action passes out of shotgun? Or how about running playaction and then run the screen off of it? NE did this to us yesterday for a big gains. It's like we have no creativity on offense what so ever. I honestly hate our offense and I know this is not Al Sanders offense. This is Gibbs dictating to him.

Interesting commets by Sanders last week. He said it was a staff decision to pull back and let the defense win the game. Then he said to Kelli Johnson from Sportsnet, "Well you know me, I'm aggressive by nature." He sort said it with a chuckle. He basically said he didn't want to pull back but he just went along with what the other guys wanted.

Gibbs and his gang just need to be removed from any playcalling/game planning all together. Enough is enough. Let Al do it since that is why he is getting paid 2 million a year. I didn't see this crap going on it KC. All they had were Holmes and Tony G. ( not to mention a nice o-line) and they were in the top 5 in offense every year. Who were the wr's? Eddie Kennison? C'mon. Its time to let him do it his way.
Good post.

For some time, I didn't buy into the Gibbs holding Saunders back theory. However, as time progresses, it seems more apparent that is the case.

I agree with you. We lack offensive identity, and we are not creative. However, it's hard to run the play action when you don't have much running game to speak of.

One thing about New England's success with the screen is our defensive scheme. We are giving up all the underneath stuff to everyone, every game. I'm not sure if we did the same thing that it would have as much success against teams with a defensive strategy different than ours.

I think you are right about this: what we are seeing is not an Al Saunders offense. I hope Joe will give more control to Saunders as the season progresses.
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