Campbell's development curve

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Didn't cleveland have the #3 pick in the draft? how were they not terrible? Wasnt ROMEO about to get fired? Don't they still have zero running game and a bad defense?

Don't give me running game numbers please....jamal lewis has been horrible despite one game and in garbage time

I'm talking about this year, not last year.

[The Zimmermans]

Yeah, Derek Anderson is starting this year.....not understanding you i guess

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Back to JC, he definitely has looked off these past two weeks. I still have faith in him, but my once rock-solid belief that we was a Pro Bowler in the making has been shaken.

[JWsleep]

Hey, it's a process here. He's not a pro-bowler yet, and no doubt the jury is still out. The next few games are mighty big for JC. The main thing, IMO, is to eliminate the TOs and hit the 3rd down reads better. I don't need the sudden long-bomb thing--that's going to take more time, especially given the o-line.

The whole team from top to bottom got spanked yesterday--don't think it's the best thing to do to judge JC on this. Better, look at his RESPONSE to this. That will tell us much more, I believe.

[dgack]

Hey, the guy threw a TD at the end, in a thoroughly humiliating undressing that ANYBODY could have been excused for sitting out the rest of. I'd say that speaks volumes to start off with.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

At the risk of this devolving into another 'conservative playcalling' thread, has the way the offense been called and executed accelerated Campbell's development curve or do you think he's been held back too much??

From JLa's blog today, the Skins now rank 28th in total offense. 25th in yards per rush (3.5) and 25th in passing yards per game. They are 28th in first downs and 22nd in points per game (18). The offense has 13 touchdowns through 7 games.

I am going to agree ahead of time that the offensive line issues have an impact on the offense and the rankings.. With the exception of yesterday and the 2nd half of the Packers game however, they have done a very good job of protecting Campbell.. Since pass protection seems to be what they do better than pushing the pile, should we put the ball in Campbell's hands more, open up the offense and let playmakers make plays in the 2nd half of the season and let him put us into the playoffs or keep doing what we've been doing and hope for better results?

It seems like Campbell is so handcuffed (and Moss alluded to that overall in a postgame interview yesterday) that he's trying not to lose games rather than trying to win them.

Pass protection is a problem. So how about ( I have mentioned this before) putting JC in shotgun on 1st down instead of 3rd and long? How about running play action passes out of shotgun? Or how about running playaction and then run the screen off of it? NE did this to us yesterday for a big gains. It's like we have no creativity on offense what so ever. I honestly hate our offense and I know this is not Al Sanders offense. This is Gibbs dictating to him.

Interesting commets by Sanders last week. He said it was a staff decision to pull back and let the defense win the game. Then he said to Kelli Johnson from Sportsnet, "Well you know me, I'm aggressive by nature." He sort said it with a chuckle. He basically said he didn't want to pull back but he just went along with what the other guys wanted.

Gibbs and his gang just need to be removed from any playcalling/game planning all together. Enough is enough. Let Al do it since that is why he is getting paid 2 million a year. I didn't see this crap going on it KC. All they had were Holmes and Tony G. ( not to mention a nice o-line) and they were in the top 5 in offense every year. Who were the wr's? Eddie Kennison? C'mon. Its time to let him do it his way.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

JC doing fine. Its the coaching staff killing him. Heaven forbid we throw the ball down the field

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Anderson, Jay Cutler, Schaub & Romo are who come to mind as inexperienced QB who are allowed to 'play to win the game' to paraphrase Herm and are improving weekly.. With the exception of Romo, I don't think any of them have the playmakers to rival what we (allegedly) have..

I concur Pain, our WR bums hurt JC so far, although they did post half decent numbers against NE, but that was when the game was out of reach. To be honest Patrick looked better his first year than JC so far, but at least Patrick was allowed to let the balls fly, and he did it with far less collective talent to boot. With the Wr screw ups it is hard to gage JC to be honest, but he doesn't look as good as he did when he came in last season the past few games. I think he has been held back somewhat, whcih is a shame. We need to find out if this guy is really the next franchise QB or not and soon. Thus far his grade at QB is an Incomplete.

[djnemo65]

Well I think the level to which our offensive supporting cast has been overrated is quickly becoming clear. Springs had a great point last year talking about the defense, but it applies to the offense as well. He said if you want to know how good you really are, don't look at the names or the contracts, look at the best defense in the league and ask yourself who from your team would start for them.

So if the Pats are the best offense, who do we have who would start for them. Randy Thomas? Maybe? Portis? Maybe maybe not. That's about it.

We haven't had a franchise quarterback in 30 something years so I hope we all give the FO time to construct a team built around Campbell and his strengths before we go writing him off.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Hey, it's a process here. He's not a pro-bowler yet, and no doubt the jury is still out. The next few games are mighty big for JC. The main thing, IMO, is to eliminate the TOs and hit the 3rd down reads better. I don't need the sudden long-bomb thing--that's going to take more time, especially given the o-line.

The whole team from top to bottom got spanked yesterday--don't think it's the best thing to do to judge JC on this. Better, look at his RESPONSE to this. That will tell us much more, I believe.

We need him to play consistently before predicting Pro Bowl status yet. It will be a couple seasons at least til he gets to that level with the scrubs we have at WR now. We need to dump Llyod and maybe even Moss if he continues his quiet streak.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Well I think the level to which our offensive supporting cast has been overrated is quickly becoming clear. Springs had a great point last year talking about the defense, but it applies to the offense as well. He said if you want to know how good you really are, don't like at the names or the contracts, look at the best defense in the league and ask yourself who from your team would start for them.

So if the Pats are the best offense, who do we have who would start for them. Randy Thomas? Maybe? Portis? Maybe maybe not. That's about it.

We haven't had a franchise quarterback in 30 something years so I hope we all give the FO time to construct a team built around Campbell and his strengths before we go writing him off.

Man that's a good analogy. We probably don't have one guy on our whole team that would start for NE. Portis maybe. That's a big maybe.

[GTripp0012]

Samuels>Todd Light

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Samuels>Todd Light

Think so? Samuels is good but Light is one of the most underrated players in the league.

If they had a chance to trade straight up I bet they wouldn't, just thinking about it hypothetically.

[skinsguy]

Speaking of Campbell's development, I wonder if Gibbs and Saunders have thought about allowing Jason and the offense to run more of the no huddle offense. Jason seems to do a pretty good job when the Redskins are in the no huddle. In fact, it almost seems like it helps him to get into a rhythm. Now, I realize the Pats were in a prevent defense, but starting off a game in the no huddle could be the spark our offense and Campbell needs to get things going. This could only help open things up for our running attack as well.

[redsk1]

I like JC and think he is improved over last year, but I'm really not sold on him yet. I'm not sure if its the playcalling or whatever but he's gotta show some ability to win games at some point. At this point i don't think we can be so sure that he's our QB for the next 5 yrs+. Don't get me wrong, i think he's got great potential but alot of backup qb's have potential. Patrick Ramsey had great potential. We've seen a couple pretty good games from him but nothing that defines what potential he has. 3 TD games...300yard games? Alot of people want to make him out to be alot better than what he is right now. I'm optimistic but JC's got to continue to get better.