Time for the Jets

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

With 80% of the offensive line out or playing hurt, I actually think this team is zero dimensional, but I also respect the way the coaches were trying to attack the Patriots. They were trying to keep the Pats offense off the field with sustained drives. Going for quick strikes against that team is just stupid. Their offensive execution is far better than Washington's and they basically score whenever they feel like it.

The gameplan itself isn't the problem, it's the execution, and the execution is being effected by a ridiculous number of injuries. How the hell can the finger be pointed at Al Saunders or even Coach Gibbs for that matter, when the entire offense outside of Cooley, Samuels, and Campbell have missed time, or been playing banged up?

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

[The Zimmermans]

52-7 makes me a little upset....and I'm not enjoying it

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

well we are paying him a lot of money....so we better find a way to work him in. Or McCardell. Both of them should be able to go up and get the ball if jason puts some air under it. Stop hating on him if we never even throw to him.

WE will agree to disagree

Actually, I can agree with this to an extent.

We do need to keep him on the roster, and though I believe we would be better off if he was one of our inactives, as long as he's outplaying Caldwell, we can't just not use him ever.

He's just not a very good player. He's capable of basic receiver function, but that's about it. We are paying 5 mil a year to him for spectacular catches, and that's just stupid on our part.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Yes, and that gameplan killed the morale of the team and fans cause it resulted in ZERO actual points. What is Campbell supposed to think when we score 7 points in garbage time. ZERO success on offense due to the conservatism. Nothing for JC to build on. Yes, the execution sucks, but that is because the patriots knew what we were gonna call on each separate down.

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

[The Zimmermans]

I have dogged him a lot too, I'm just starting to get very worried that we don't have any possession receivers that can go up and get the ball on third down or in the endzone...I feel like lloyd and mccardell are the closest things.

It was obviously a mistake to sign him for that money, and hopefully snyder will learn from that and hire a GM at some point. Imagine what we coulda done with that money.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not possible to "know" what we are going to call. If teams guessed like that, we would have beaten them bad about half the time.

My only problem with the calls is when they are called as plays that just won't work. Like 3rd and three out routes into a non existant window on the sideline.

yeah, passing the ball short to cooley is OK cause he's big and picks up extra yards regardless. But the receiver routes need to be passed the LOS. Jason's timing has not been perfected, so those short routes wont work. Especially when we fail to stretch the field. We need more receivers lined up if we want the short routes to work.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's probably because of what Gibbs and Saunders have done with virtual nobodies. Gibbs led a team of scabs led by a prison inmate at QB to a 3-0 record. Saunders had the best offenses in the NFL with Marc Boeritger and Eddie Kennison as his top two wide receivers.

I don't agree with the sentiment that all the blame should be laid at the feet of Saunders and Gibbs. But I imagine this is what upsets some people. And there are others who just like to be upset.

I don't disagree with the idea that the offense should be more productive at this point in Gibbs and Saunders respective tenures, but to discount the insane amount of injuries this team has faced, like they're inconsequential, is just ridiculous to me.

And to be fair, Saunders' KC offense had one of the better offensive lines in football, and arguably one of the best one/two punch's ever with Holmes and Johnson.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

yeah, passing the ball short to cooley is OK cause he's big and picks up extra yards regardless. But the receiver routes need to be passed the LOS. Jason's timing has not been perfected, so those short routes wont work. Especially when we fail to stretch the field. We need more receivers lined up if we want the short routes to work.

Again, though, this is a major rarity.

By blaming Saunders and Gibbs for this, we are really badly nitpicking. Yes, there are things they could be doing better, but don't we as fans have better stuff to do than talk about the calls. It's not like these calls are serious issues or anything.

Well, except the third and short crap.

[The Zimmermans]

Sorry, just trying to work with what we have. We can't bring in new players. I just think Jason is something special, and he is capable of saving our season, with the proper playcalling. But i'm probably tainted as a skins fan.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't know what to say about the game this weekend. As I've said in other posts...Yes, we are definitely hindered by the injuries the team has suffered, and that didn't get any better this past weekend. However, face it, we just aren't anything more than an average football team right now, and that is only thanks to our defense. If our defense wasn't as good as it has been so far, we wouldn't even be considered average. We'd probably be 1-7 just like the Jets. The offense just stinks.

All that being said, if we beat the Jets..."IF"... then we'll be two back of Dallas and we still play them twice. Playoffs are a possibility since we are in the weak NFC, but if you think this team would last more than a week in the post season, I want some of what you are smoking.