Who is "weakest" team with winning record?

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

OK, have it your way. The Skins are, on defense:

18th in passing defense
23 in total yards allowed
15th in total scoring allowed
9th against the run

Im a fan, and Im a realist. If you cannot see that this team is a very mediocre team, then fine no one can convince you otherwise. There are several mediocre teams in the NFC. If you want to go strictly by wins then so be it.

If you were a realist you would understand that were a mediocre offense with really good special teams and a very stout defense. The offenses inability to put teams away does not take away from the defense pretty much winning all our games for us. If Santana Moss doesnt fumble in the Packers game, and Joe Gibbs quits coaching like hes scared to run up the score than we crush the Giants, that would mean we would have 1 loss on our record, its amazing how two simple mistakes can make a good team look mediocre.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

If you were a realist you would understand that were a mediocre offense with really good special teams and a very stout defense. The offenses inability to put teams away does not take away from the defense pretty much winning all our games for us. If Santana Moss doesnt fumble in the Packers game, and Joe Gibbs quits coaching like hes scared to run up the score than we crush the Giants, that would mean we would have 1 loss on our record, its amazing how two simple mistakes can make a good team look mediocre.

You cannot factor "ifs" into the analysis. "If" Carlos Rogers made an interception 2 years ago against the Seahawks we might have gone to the Super Bowl. "Ifs" are part of the game.

Im not saying the Skins defense isn't solid, Im saying that as a whole its a bad offense with a slightly better then average defense, leaving us with a medicore team. The defense is now going to be worse since Rogers is out. The defense is the reason we are 5-3, but they are going to struggle more now that a dinged up Smoot is covering the No. 2 and Torrence is covering the ever dangerous slot receiver.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

If you were a realist you would understand that were a mediocre offense with really good special teams and a very stout defense. The offenses inability to put teams away does not take away from the defense pretty much winning all our games for us. If Santana Moss doesnt fumble in the Packers game, and Joe Gibbs quits coaching like hes scared to run up the score than we crush the Giants, that would mean we would have 1 loss on our record, its amazing how two simple mistakes can make a good team look mediocre.

GiantsSuck,

Just because you can make quick excuses for our shortcomings doesn't make them go away. If you going to blame a HOF coach for costing his team the Giants game for "being scared," then it's pretty likely you have no idea why we lost that game, and are just throwing something out there.

I have no issue with that, so long as you don't confuse that with things that are actually happening.

I think you can describe our defense as very stout, although we are giving up plenty of yards against the run. Overall, we are a top 1/4 defense in this league thus far.

But to describe our special teams as really good without acknowledging incredibly short kickoffs, and not so great kickoff coverage, and a punt return game of which it's single best achievement this year is not turning the ball over...that's just not a good job of evaluation.

There are things to like about our special teams unit, namely Rock Cartwright, and a punt coverage team who smothers everything, but you described our special teams unit as "very good", which is simply overlooking the major issues with it.

As far as the offenses ability to put teams away, how is that not a symptom of a bigger problem that his just inconsistency all around?

I appreciate your optimism, but being optimistic is one thing, but telling someone else they aren't being realistic because they aren't optimistic is another.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

GiantsSuck,

Just because you can make quick excuses for our shortcomings doesn't make them go away. If you going to blame a HOF coach for costing his team the Giants game for "being scared," then it's pretty likely you have no idea why we lost that game, and are just throwing something out there.

I have no issue with that, so long as you don't confuse that with things that are actually happening.

I think you can describe our defense as very stout, although we are giving up plenty of yards against the run. Overall, we are a top 1/4 defense in this league thus far.

But to describe our special teams as really good without acknowledging incredibly short kickoffs, and not so great kickoff coverage, and a punt return game of which it's single best achievement this year is not turning the ball over...that's just not a good job of evaluation.

There are things to like about our special teams unit, namely Rock Cartwright, and a punt coverage team who smothers everything, but you described our special teams unit as "very good", which is simply overlooking the major issues with it.

As far as the offenses ability to put teams away, how is that not a symptom of a bigger problem that his just inconsistency all around?

I appreciate your optimism, but being optimistic is one thing, but telling someone else they aren't being realistic because they aren't optimistic is another.

I really have no problem with the fact that hes not optimistic, really. I love to debate and it just wouldnt be that fun if everyone agreed all the time. Im just voicing my opinion, does that make me right? No, its just my opinion. I think its great that Paul sticks to his guns and doesnt drink the Kool-aid, but I choose to see it from another angle, but I really dont want that to come off as me attacking other posters, if it came off that way I apologize.