Bill Cowher!!

[SmootSmack]

Tomlin was being molded to take over the Steelers?

[BDBohnzie]

Not sure what I was thinking...perhaps I was thinking Garrett...needless to say, it's been a rough morning.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

What Bozie says about stability is what I feel so I wont rehash that. I dont think the Skins are doomed if they dont go young but what I do think is that what they have been doing in terms of lots of coaching turn-over and hiring older coaches isnt working. Why not try something different? It cant work out any worse than what the team has been experiencing. Like the saying goes "if you keep on doing what you have always done, you will keep on getting what you always got." Lately the Skins have been getting crap.

I really dont see it happening though as danny likes to hire a "name" as coach to make a splash. Hiring a young unknown wont provide Danny with the kind of splash he likes.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Joe Gibbs era:

The good: Griffin, Portis, Washington, Sellers, Marshall (for a year at least), Taylor, Brunell, (arguably Pierce for giving him a shot), Springs, Cooley, Ryan Clark, Rogers, Campbell, Rabach, McIntosh, Montgomery, Golston, Randle El, Landry, Blades, Fletcher, Kendall, Carter (big maybe, IMO).

The bad: Barrow, Patten, Archuleta, letting Pierce go, letting Ryan Clark go, Fauria, Dallas Sartz, and like...Jordan Palmer.

The really really brutal: Lloyd, Duckett

Those are the facts, you be the judge.

Yea, i think we all can agree that theres some good and bad.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Oakland Raiders 2006:

Points Scored: 168
Points Against: 332

Oakland Raiders 2007:

Points Scored: 152
Points Against: 177

With a very minor increase in offensive talent, Lane Kiffin has pretty much done in 8 games what it took the Raider offense 16 to do last year. Suffering a massive defensive regression, he's still managed to cut the 2-6 Raiders point differential to -25 over the first 8 games as coach, compared to the -164 it was last season.

It's too bad that the coach of the year award is really just the "surprise team award," because it's hard to make an argument against the job Lane Kiffin has done with an underachieving, talentless offensive unit. I'm not going to apologize for his inability to turn the Raiders into a world beater from the start, are you?

And in the case of Mangini, he inherited a team that's only asset was a good QB who was coming off a serious shoulder injury. He was every bit as bad as the worst teams last year, yet he beat them all, beat the f-ing Patriots on the road, and won ten games.

No coach is a miracle worker, but the younger coaches have recently had a great collective success rate, because they tend not to follow the bs coaching theories that are old and outdated and never worked in the first place. They are good coaches, because they tend to be ahead of the curve.

After all, isn't that how Gibbs got where he is?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Of course there will be some change, but it wouldn't be as radical if they bring in someone from the outside.

Personally, I can see Williams taking over for a variety of reasons. For starters, if Gibbs stays on as team president he's going to have a significant say in the matter. I can't see Gibbs going after a so called "sexy" hire, I think he would want to minimize the changes as much as possible and hiring from within is the way to go in that respect.

The fact that Williams has stayed on when he could have easily jumped ship a few times for head coaching jobs around the league tells me that some sort of informal agreement may already be in place. Yes I know the $1M buyout that's in place on his contract really doesn't mean much considering we're talking about Snyder, but I still think it represents the fact that this idea has been discussed behind closed doors and some sort of arrangement may already be in place.

I'll go on record to say i'd like to see GW as head coach whenever JG's leaves. Who knows what Snyder will do? You're probably right about the buyout but Snyder wouldn't blink to pay that buyout if he could get a top tier coach.

[mooseredskin]

Cowher is awesome!

[over the mountain]

i love gibbs and hope he stays as long as possible . .. but i still dont know why marvin lewis didnt get the head coaching job when he was here.

off topic - yes
bored at work but boss is tied up in a closed door meeting for next few hours - yes!

[LittleBigSpear]

Joe Gibbs is a wonderful person and WAS a great coach. The other bigger problem is the owner, but we can not fire the owner - so ya Bill Cowher - Big Tuna - Jimmy Johnson, Satan, anyone!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i love gibbs and hope he stays as long as possible . .. but i still dont know why marvin lewis didnt get the head coaching job when he was here.

off topic - yes
bored at work but boss is tied up in a closed door meeting for next few hours - yes!

That's because we had Spurrier at the time. In hindsight it would have been better to can that experiment gone wrong and hand it over to Lewis, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by LittleBigSpear

Joe Gibbs is a wonderful person and WAS a great coach. The other bigger problem is the owner, but we can not fire the owner - so ya Bill Cowher - Big Tuna - Jimmy Johnson, Satan, anyone!!!

Are you related to Chief Chucking My Spear?

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

Don't forget the wonderful job Cam Cameron is doing down in Miami...lol

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's because we had Spurrier at the time. In hindsight it would have been better to can that experiment gone wrong and hand it over to Lewis, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20.

Marvin Lewis isn't exactly setting the world on fire in Cincinnati though. Some say it's because of the "character issues" he has on his team. But it's not likely he was sitting idly by without any input when these selections were made.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've heard the same thing about Williams and Snyder.

I have mixed feelings about him being the next head coach. Besides, don't we have to interview other candidates because of the Rooney Rule anyway?

Well we are in agreement on this one SS, I don't believe Williams is head coaching material at all.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well we are in agreement on this one SS, I don't believe Williams is head coaching material at all.

I feel compelled to change my opinion now...

Seriously though, all I'm saying is don't just hand him the job. I have these fears of Gibbs handing the reins over to Williams only to have GW say "Thanks...I quit" a la Parcells and Belichick back with the Jets