Why dont the Redskins use audibles?

saden1 · 11-10-2007, 03:26 PM

They can't even execute plays called...how in the hell can you expect them to audible and execute at the same time. You ask for too much.

rk3025 · 11-10-2007, 05:54 PM

In Saunders offense you are to read the defense and pick the assigned options
Is this too hard for qb?

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Originally Posted by saden1

They can't even execute plays called...how in the hell can you expect them to audible and execute at the same time. You ask for too much.

JWsleep · 11-10-2007, 05:58 PM

But if Campbell sees eight in the box against a run, can he audible to a pass? Why not?

Sometimes audibles are easier to execute--it depends on the D. In Saunders O, both QB and WR have to make the same read on the play--as we've seen, it can be done, and done well, but the skins have certainly not mastered it yet. Wonder if Gibbs' alterations of Saunders offense has made these options more difficult, by taking WRs off the field?

skinsfan69 · 11-11-2007, 11:24 AM

Not to sound like a Mr. Know it all but we ran this same system when I played. We used the passing tree 0-9 on 80% of our pass plays. You can change the play if you want to. They can use hand signals. If you can do it in HS then you should be able to do it at the pro level. Not having audibles in crazy.

SouperMeister · 11-14-2007, 01:09 PM

I heard that on the 3rd and 7 draw, Gibbs gave Campbell the freedom to audible to a pass, but with Philly showing blitz before the snap, Campbell stuck with the call. Philly dropped the linebackers, effectively killing any chance Portis had to score. That said, I like the fact that Campbell was at least given a chance to change the play. Allowing him to run the no huddle against Philly also demonstrates growing confidence that the coaches have in him.

over the mountain · 11-14-2007, 11:33 AM

wow glad i clicked on this thread b/c it discusses something that is worth considering and i learned a few things. thanks for the informative posts guys, wish i could contribute but my depth of knowledge on al saunders and audibles was zero before reading this thread.

but i agree, audibles at the line of scrimmage can work well in the NFL, especialy in an offense that everyone is calling predictable but i think campbell needs more time in the NFL (only has 16 starts to date) before he can be trusted to properly and accurately read defenses and call audibles . . . of course audibles could be called from up stairs to campbells headset in his helmet but that may take too long and this offense doesnt need another thing to delay our play calling.

questions:
so campbell and our receivers have to make the same read for any adjustment/audible from the original playcall?
and they have to trust that they make the same read and are on the same page?

WOW that is alot of ESP going on there, for this too work it seems you would need the same receivers and quarterback for years so they can gel and get some serious chemistry going on . . . plus football intelligent and dedicated "students of the game" players

does rabach still handle the O line audibles/guys to pick up on run and pass plays? im guessing yes . . .

more threads should be like this, dissecting and discussing actual redskins football Xs and Os . .

go skins!

firstdown · 11-14-2007, 12:05 PM

We had an audible on that 7 and goal play in the Eagles game which Campbell stuck with the run instaed of using an audible to change it to a pass. So we do use them. How much I'm not sure.

MTK · 11-14-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

We had an audible on that 7 and goal play in the Eagles game which Campbell stuck with the run instaed of using an audible to change it to a pass. So we do use them. How much I'm not sure.

Yeah I'm not sure if that qualifies as a true audible, or if they just give him 2 options in certain situations like that.

firstdown · 11-14-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah I'm not sure if that qualifies as a true audible, or if they just give him 2 options in certain situations like that.

Well if you go to the line and switch the called play then I think its an audible. Unlike Peyton he has 3 plays then calls the play after they go to the line which in this case it would not be an audible.

MTK · 11-14-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Well if you go to the line and switch the called play then I think its an audible. Unlike Peyton he has 3 plays then calls the play after they go to the line which in this case it would not be an audible.

Right, I didn't word that very well, what I wonder if he always has that option, or if he's only allowed to "audible" in certain situations.

firstdown · 11-14-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, I didn't word that very well, what I wonder if he always has that option, or if he's only allowed to "audible" in certain situations.

I'm not sure. I thought that was a great question so I went and put that down as a question for Tony and maybe he can give us some insight.

BleedBurgundy · 11-14-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Does anyone know why we don't use audibles in our offense? It seems like you would want to be able to get out of a play if the defense comes out in a formation or package you weren't expecting.

Because the plays that AS calls are perfect for any situation, regardless of defense. lol. Like a draw play on 3rd and Goal from the 7, you know.

In all seriousness, I assume that we'll start to see JC getting the leeway to audible as the staff grows more comfortable with him.

firstdown · 11-14-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Because the plays that AS calls are perfect for any situation, regardless of defense. lol. Like a draw play on 3rd and Goal from the 7, you know.

In all seriousness, I assume that we'll start to see JC getting the leeway to audible as the staff grows more comfortable with him.

That play you mention he was a audible he could use on that to change it to a pass which JC did not use.

JWsleep · 11-14-2007, 01:29 PM

What's interesting, beyond the audible at the goal line, was the no-huddle where JC really had more control. Seems like Gibbs/Saunders and co are aware that giving JC more freedom is a good thing. It's like they've been reading our posts!

(They'll all be firing themselves real soon...

)

redsk1 · 11-14-2007, 01:49 PM

Yes, the 3rd down and 7 was an audible, either a draw or a pass. JC saw the coverage and called the run. So..i would think that would qualify.

11-10-2007, 03:26 PM	#1
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? They can't even execute plays called...how in the hell can you expect them to audible and execute at the same time. You ask for too much. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

11-10-2007, 05:58 PM	#3
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? But if Campbell sees eight in the box against a run, can he audible to a pass? Why not? Sometimes audibles are easier to execute--it depends on the D. In Saunders O, both QB and WR have to make the same read on the play--as we've seen, it can be done, and done well, but the skins have certainly not mastered it yet. Wonder if Gibbs' alterations of Saunders offense has made these options more difficult, by taking WRs off the field? __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-11-2007, 11:24 AM	#4
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,439	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? Not to sound like a Mr. Know it all but we ran this same system when I played. We used the passing tree 0-9 on 80% of our pass plays. You can change the play if you want to. They can use hand signals. If you can do it in HS then you should be able to do it at the pro level. Not having audibles in crazy.

11-14-2007, 01:09 PM	#5
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 61 Posts: 3,419	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? I heard that on the 3rd and 7 draw, Gibbs gave Campbell the freedom to audible to a pass, but with Philly showing blitz before the snap, Campbell stuck with the call. Philly dropped the linebackers, effectively killing any chance Portis had to score. That said, I like the fact that Campbell was at least given a chance to change the play. Allowing him to run the no huddle against Philly also demonstrates growing confidence that the coaches have in him.

11-14-2007, 11:33 AM	#6
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? wow glad i clicked on this thread b/c it discusses something that is worth considering and i learned a few things. thanks for the informative posts guys, wish i could contribute but my depth of knowledge on al saunders and audibles was zero before reading this thread. but i agree, audibles at the line of scrimmage can work well in the NFL, especialy in an offense that everyone is calling predictable but i think campbell needs more time in the NFL (only has 16 starts to date) before he can be trusted to properly and accurately read defenses and call audibles . . . of course audibles could be called from up stairs to campbells headset in his helmet but that may take too long and this offense doesnt need another thing to delay our play calling. questions: so campbell and our receivers have to make the same read for any adjustment/audible from the original playcall? and they have to trust that they make the same read and are on the same page? WOW that is alot of ESP going on there, for this too work it seems you would need the same receivers and quarterback for years so they can gel and get some serious chemistry going on . . . plus football intelligent and dedicated "students of the game" players does rabach still handle the O line audibles/guys to pick up on run and pass plays? im guessing yes . . . more threads should be like this, dissecting and discussing actual redskins football Xs and Os . . go skins!

11-14-2007, 12:05 PM	#7
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? We had an audible on that 7 and goal play in the Eagles game which Campbell stuck with the run instaed of using an audible to change it to a pass. So we do use them. How much I'm not sure.

11-14-2007, 01:29 PM	#14
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? What's interesting, beyond the audible at the goal line, was the no-huddle where JC really had more control. Seems like Gibbs/Saunders and co are aware that giving JC more freedom is a good thing. It's like they've been reading our posts! (They'll all be firing themselves real soon... ) __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-14-2007, 01:49 PM	#15
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Why dont the Redskins use audibles? Yes, the 3rd down and 7 was an audible, either a draw or a pass. JC saw the coverage and called the run. So..i would think that would qualify.

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