Who's The Best Draft Pick In The Gibbs 2.0 Era

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

[LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

I wouldn't call Pacman a bust persay he just can't get away his friends. But on the field I would pick Pacman if he wasn't carrying all this baggage with him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.

Ahhh, there you go again SS - confusing the issue with facts.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

Name some good teams and I'll show you some 1st round busts.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

Alex Smith is looking like a bust. Think about this. The 49ers gave NE their 08 1st rounder and last years 4th rounder to NE (who then traded it for some guy named Randy Moss). NE has the 49ers 1st rounder (which will be a top 5 pick most likely) and their own (which they lost because of cheating). Now that's a deal that looks real bad right about now.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Alex Smith is looking like a bust. Think about this. The 49ers gave NE their 08 1st rounder and last years 4th rounder to NE (who then traded it for some guy named Randy Moss). NE has the 49ers 1st rounder (which will be a top 5 pick most likely) and their own (which they lost because of cheating). Now that's a deal that looks real bad right about now.

Man, the rich getting richer. I wonder who in the world they'd take. Honestly, I could see them taking the top QB so that when Brady (finally) retires, they'll have someone waiting in the wings.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Man, the rich getting richer. I wonder who in the world they'd take. Honestly, I could see them taking the top QB so that when Brady (finally) retires, they'll have someone waiting in the wings.

Brady is only 30 though. And with how clean his uniform is at the end of every game, he might as well wear friggin tuxedo to work. He could play at a high level for at least another 6 or 7 years at this rate. If they're smart they think LB in the draft. Vrabel, Seau, and Bruschi aren't gonna be around much longer.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Man, the rich getting richer. I wonder who in the world they'd take. Honestly, I could see them taking the top QB so that when Brady (finally) retires, they'll have someone waiting in the wings.

They'll probably trade down, trade down again, end up with a late round first, 4 2nd round picks and some poor team's 1st again next year. Later that afternoon, Belichick will trade some kid some "magic beans" for his lunch.

[70Chip]

I thought picking Taylor over Winslow and then getting Cooley in the third round was super smart.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

They'll probably trade down, trade down again, end up with a late round first, 4 2nd round picks and some poor team's 1st again next year. Later that afternoon, Belichick will trade some kid some "magic beans" for his lunch.

BleedBurgundy - this is exactly what I thought. I know that trading down is one of the hardest things to do because most teams don't want to pay the huge signing bonuses that a high draft pick requires. The great teams keep accumulating more picks and yes some of them will turn out to be busts, but just by sheer volume some of them will pan out at a low contract. So the Patriots will continue to stay under the cap and have room to sign the important free agent or two to fill out their roster and more importantly they will also have a lot more depth when the injuries inevitably come during the season.

What I think this thread really represents is that you can really build a team of core players (or "core Redskins" as coach Joe would say) and have a better chance at sustaining long term success through the draft if you got good scouting and more importantly if you keep your draft picks. Lets hope that the build through free agency first and let the draft be secondary philosphy is done at Redskin Park. Most Redskin fans don't care about signing big name players for the sake of "winning the free agent offseason acquisition award" - we want long term success on the field. We have not tried the philosphy of depending on building through the draft heavily - why not give it a shot and see what happens - at least you'll stop throwing away $10 million on busts like Brandon LLyod.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears BUST
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans BUST
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings BUST
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals BUST
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions BUST

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

pacman jones is no way a bust. he may have serious character issues, but the guy can play. so as long as when he comes back he stays out of trouble he will be a pro bowler easy