4th and short

MTK · 11-25-2007, 03:48 PM

I think they were looking for the sneak in that situation, either way it doesn't change the fact we now have 5 turnovers. It's awfully tough to win when you turnover the ball that much.

Daseal · 11-25-2007, 03:55 PM

Well Matty, when you need a feet, they can look for the sneak. A big QB like Campbell can fall forward for that, and if anything they will kinda give him the benefit of the doubt with it muddled

mheisig · 11-25-2007, 04:00 PM

I'm totally behind him on all the 4th down calls. Yeah someone's gonna bitch cause we didn't make one and hingsight's 20-20, but our season and playoff hopes are on the line and we're trailing by quite a bit, go for the throat and try for that TD. At least if we go down in flames we'll know we tried to win it.

jdlea · 11-25-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm totally behind him on all the 4th down calls. Yeah someone's gonna bitch cause we didn't make one and hingsight's 20-20, but our season and playoff hopes are on the line and we're trailing by quite a bit, go for the throat and try for that TD. At least if we go down in flames we'll know we tried to win it.

Oh please, there was no hindsight about it, I knew it was a bad call regardless. I hated the call before the play, I hated the playcall and I hate the fact that I forced them to press when they should have been looking to get into field goal range at the end of the game. It totally changed the football game and all they needed to do was kick. The first time I've wanted them to be conservative all year and take the points to make a 1 possession game, they stupidly try to run and it contributed to the loss of the game.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-26-2007, 01:14 AM

I too disagreed with the call. That said, something tells me that if Gibbs had NOT gone for it and we had lost the game, people would be ripping him a new one for not having any cajones. You just can't please some people.

chrisl4064 · 11-26-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I too disagreed with the call. That said, something tells me that if Gibbs had NOT gone for it and we had lost the game, people would be ripping him a new one for not having any cajones. You just can't please some people.

I would have been one of those people, however i WAS pleased that we went for it even though we didnt get it. They went 3 and out after that and it really didnt change the outcome of the game, we had plenty more opportunities.

Crazyhorse1 · 11-26-2007, 02:09 AM

I've heard that Gibbs said they gave Campbell the option of running the sneak on that play, which would have been the right call. My question: why give Campbell the option?

That said, the OL performed miserably once again on a short yardage play. It seems to be something we just can't do. I wasn't surprised at all we couldn't gain a foot.

Just why we can't do it does escape me however. Maybe our OL just isn't strong enough to move anybody. We get no penetration at all time and time again.

pdid5000 · 11-25-2007, 04:21 PM

i was screaming at the tv when they did'nt take the 3 pts. horrible call.

Cowell · 11-25-2007, 05:59 PM

I have to say I agreed with the call, we really needed a touchdown and if we had converted we probably would have won.

BrunellMVP? · 11-25-2007, 05:57 PM

I don't mind the aggressive call- i agree that it may not have been the right time for it, turning a two possession game into one, but what happend? we failed (all good teams should get a foot), and then we forced a 3 and out on the bucs possession, and then kicked a field goal. So really, we got out 3 points, and the one possession game, we just lost a few mins in the process. Gibbs was trying to make a statement, his team let him down.

chrisl4064 · 11-26-2007, 01:06 AM

i definately respected the decision to go for it, would i have liked to have seen a QB sneak, yeah sure. But i wont fault Gibbs at all on this.

Vulta121 · 11-26-2007, 03:36 AM

There is no toughness on this O-Line. I know a lot of our guys were hurt but we always got blown off the ball. The defense would always create a new line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. This has happened to a lot this year and it has killed in the time we needed the yard the most. Joe Gibbs should realize who his team is and take the three points. It's just very poor coaching we could have had a chance twice in the end of the game and took some pressure off of Campbell so he doesn't force two picks at the end of the game. Bottom line the coaches need to get it together and realize who their team is and put them in positions to succeed rather than fail.

firstdown · 11-26-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulta121

There is no toughness on this O-Line. I know a lot of our guys were hurt but we always got blown off the ball. The defense would always create a new line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. This has happened to a lot this year and it has killed in the time we needed the yard the most. Joe Gibbs should realize who his team is and take the three points. It's just very poor coaching we could have had a chance twice in the end of the game and took some pressure off of Campbell so he doesn't force two picks at the end of the game. Bottom line the coaches need to get it together and realize who their team is and put them in positions to succeed rather than fail.

We did make the second 4th and short. I love how people complained that we took too much out of JC hands and now people complain that we are giving him to much of the load.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-26-2007, 03:40 AM

Horrible call. Like it has been said before: if we kick a FG there, and get 3 points, it's a one possession game. Never mind the fact that we had other opportunities after that play -- everything changes when you are only down by 6 as opposed to 9. Since we didn't cut the lead, we had to play differently. We made it harder on ourselves. Gibbs made it harder on the team. I never thought I'd say that.

Stacks42 · 11-26-2007, 09:13 AM

On the post game show both Gibbs and Campbell (rabach for the matter too) said that JC had the option but with the def the bucs were giving, it was the right call to run with portis. Rabach said that the line failed and he put it on their shoulders. I for one liked the call, Gibbs gave his players a chance to win the game, they didnt execute.

11-25-2007, 03:48 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: 4th and short I think they were looking for the sneak in that situation, either way it doesn't change the fact we now have 5 turnovers. It's awfully tough to win when you turnover the ball that much. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-25-2007, 03:55 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: 4th and short Well Matty, when you need a feet, they can look for the sneak. A big QB like Campbell can fall forward for that, and if anything they will kinda give him the benefit of the doubt with it muddled __________________ Best. Player. Available.

11-25-2007, 04:00 PM	#3
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 41 Posts: 2,119	Re: 4th and short I'm totally behind him on all the 4th down calls. Yeah someone's gonna bitch cause we didn't make one and hingsight's 20-20, but our season and playoff hopes are on the line and we're trailing by quite a bit, go for the throat and try for that TD. At least if we go down in flames we'll know we tried to win it. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

11-26-2007, 01:14 AM	#5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: 4th and short I too disagreed with the call. That said, something tells me that if Gibbs had NOT gone for it and we had lost the game, people would be ripping him a new one for not having any cajones. You just can't please some people.

11-26-2007, 02:09 AM	#7
Crazyhorse1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 227	Re: 4th and short I've heard that Gibbs said they gave Campbell the option of running the sneak on that play, which would have been the right call. My question: why give Campbell the option? That said, the OL performed miserably once again on a short yardage play. It seems to be something we just can't do. I wasn't surprised at all we couldn't gain a foot. Just why we can't do it does escape me however. Maybe our OL just isn't strong enough to move anybody. We get no penetration at all time and time again.

11-25-2007, 04:21 PM	#8
pdid5000 No new threads for you Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: north dakota Posts: 121	Re: 4th and short i was screaming at the tv when they did'nt take the 3 pts. horrible call.

11-25-2007, 05:59 PM	#9
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: 4th and short I have to say I agreed with the call, we really needed a touchdown and if we had converted we probably would have won.

11-25-2007, 05:57 PM	#10
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: 4th and short I don't mind the aggressive call- i agree that it may not have been the right time for it, turning a two possession game into one, but what happend? we failed (all good teams should get a foot), and then we forced a 3 and out on the bucs possession, and then kicked a field goal. So really, we got out 3 points, and the one possession game, we just lost a few mins in the process. Gibbs was trying to make a statement, his team let him down. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

11-26-2007, 01:06 AM	#11
chrisl4064 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 44 Posts: 786	Re: 4th and short i definately respected the decision to go for it, would i have liked to have seen a QB sneak, yeah sure. But i wont fault Gibbs at all on this.

11-26-2007, 03:36 AM	#12
Vulta121 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 59	Re: 4th and short There is no toughness on this O-Line. I know a lot of our guys were hurt but we always got blown off the ball. The defense would always create a new line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. This has happened to a lot this year and it has killed in the time we needed the yard the most. Joe Gibbs should realize who his team is and take the three points. It's just very poor coaching we could have had a chance twice in the end of the game and took some pressure off of Campbell so he doesn't force two picks at the end of the game. Bottom line the coaches need to get it together and realize who their team is and put them in positions to succeed rather than fail.

11-26-2007, 03:40 AM	#14
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: 4th and short Horrible call. Like it has been said before: if we kick a FG there, and get 3 points, it's a one possession game. Never mind the fact that we had other opportunities after that play -- everything changes when you are only down by 6 as opposed to 9. Since we didn't cut the lead, we had to play differently. We made it harder on ourselves. Gibbs made it harder on the team. I never thought I'd say that. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

11-26-2007, 09:13 AM	#15
Stacks42 Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arlington Va. Age: 48 Posts: 836	Re: 4th and short On the post game show both Gibbs and Campbell (rabach for the matter too) said that JC had the option but with the def the bucs were giving, it was the right call to run with portis. Rabach said that the line failed and he put it on their shoulders. I for one liked the call, Gibbs gave his players a chance to win the game, they didnt execute. __________________ The NEXT special teams coordinator

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