Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell: 2008 Plans?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I would rather us take the picks and go after some D-Line talent or Oline talent. I think we could do just fine on the offensive side of the ball with what we have. Moss (if healthy) was one of the best playmakers at receiver a couple of years ago. We could use a true #2, but look at what Al has done in previous years with the lack of WR in KC. Look at what Brady did with a less than avg receiving core in NE. Moss, Randel El, Thrash, Espy, Caldwell or McCardell, Plus the new guy Mix, we have talent enough to win games and put points up. if Mix turns out to be pretty good, that gives us another red zone guy w/ cooley, and sellers (stud in redzone!)

And look what Brady is doing now with quality WRs around him.

Moss was great in 2005 but that's ancient history. Since then he's been injured and inconsistent. It's time to find a true #1 WR.

You can't count on a guy like Mix who we picked up off a practice squad.

[#56fanatic]

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1. He has shown the last few weeks he can get open, I think he is limited by the coaching staff in some degree. Now, I do agree we would benefit from a true #2 guy. also, who is to say another year in Als offense these guys wouldn't flourish (randel el, caldwell, trash ect)

We all have an opinion, I guess we'll find out in April. I dont see how any pick would be wrong since we really haven't done crap with the current roster. Only thing that we should NOT draft is a QB. so, if they go WR.. so be it. He better be a complete stud.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1.

The problem with Moss(outside of health and inconsistency) is he's not a true red zone threat. His advantage is his speed which works to his advantage between the 20's, but speed is basically a nonfactor from 20 yards in. Height, strength, and hops are the best attributes to have in a red zone target and there really aren't any Redskin receivers that possess all of those assets.

Cooley has size and strength, and he is the best receiving threat in the red zone, but the problem is every team in the league knows that. Every time Campbell went to Cooley in the endzone yesterday, he was triple covered. I'm actually surprised that Cooley was able to have such good receiving numbers, since there were Bills drapped all over him, all day long.

But Washington still needs a true possession receiver. A big receiver with good hands that can bail Campbell out when his passes are a foot or two off the mark. Something which Santana Moss seems unable to do. I don't know how or where they'll find this guy, but they need to do it ASAP.

[Bill B]

Here are a couple of big WR's in the 2008 draft that may be available with the Skins pick. Please note I advicate using the 1st round pick on a DE, but if we have to go WR than here is a list I think of WR's that may fit the bill:

Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: 1.
In his first year at Oklahoma State, Adarius Bowman had 1,181 yards and 12 touchdowns. Caught 13 passes for 300 yards and four scores against Kansas. If Bowman runs a 4.4, he's definitely going in the top 20.

D.J. Hall, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Caught 62 passes for 1,056 yards with an inexperienced quarterback throwing to him. If John Parker Wilson improves, Hall's stock will soar.

James Hardy, Indiana
Height: 6-6. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick.
Caught at least five passes in all but one game starting in October 2006. Had nine receptions for 151 yards and a TD at Purdue.

Jaison Williams, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 243.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 1-2.
An intriguing prospect. Look at his weight. How can anyone defend him inside the end zone? If Jaison Williams can run a 4.5, he'll go in the first round. Caught 68 passes for 984 yards and six touchdowns in 2006.

Limas Sweed, Texas
Height: 6-5. Weight: 218.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: 2.
I've dropped Sweed a bit because it's quite apparent that his 40 time will really hurt him.

I have a feeling Limas Sweed's stock may slip come Combine time (see 40 time), but the fact remains that he's the top possession receiver in this class. Check out NFL Draft Dog's Scouting Report.


I got this from an nfl draft site for what it is worth (I know there are countless of them out there - here is the link....

WalterFootball.com: 2008 Wide Receiver Rankings

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Here are a couple of big WR's in the 2008 draft that may be available with the Skins pick. Please note I advicate using the 1st round pick on a DE, but if we have to go WR than here is a list I think of WR's that may fit the bill:

Adarius Bowman, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round: 1.
In his first year at Oklahoma State, Adarius Bowman had 1,181 yards and 12 touchdowns. Caught 13 passes for 300 yards and four scores against Kansas. If Bowman runs a 4.4, he's definitely going in the top 20.

D.J. Hall, Alabama
Height: 6-3. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round: 1-2.
Caught 62 passes for 1,056 yards with an inexperienced quarterback throwing to him. If John Parker Wilson improves, Hall's stock will soar.

James Hardy, Indiana
Height: 6-6. Weight: 215.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick.
Caught at least five passes in all but one game starting in October 2006. Had nine receptions for 151 yards and a TD at Purdue.

Jaison Williams, Oregon
Height: 6-4. Weight: 243.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 1-2.
An intriguing prospect. Look at his weight. How can anyone defend him inside the end zone? If Jaison Williams can run a 4.5, he'll go in the first round. Caught 68 passes for 984 yards and six touchdowns in 2006.

Limas Sweed, Texas
Height: 6-5. Weight: 218.
40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round: 2.
I've dropped Sweed a bit because it's quite apparent that his 40 time will really hurt him.

I have a feeling Limas Sweed's stock may slip come Combine time (see 40 time), but the fact remains that he's the top possession receiver in this class. Check out NFL Draft Dog's Scouting Report.


I got this from an nfl draft site for what it is worth (I know there are countless of them out there - here is the link....

WalterFootball.com: 2008 Wide Receiver Rankings

I would prefer the Redskins not go after an overpriced free agent and concentrate on the draft. I've seen Hardy, Hall and Williams play a few times and I'm impressed with all of them. Especially James Hardy. The guy has speed, size and great hands. The Redskins need a big receiver. All their receivers are small and that's why they have a hard time scoring in the red zone. I like Santana Moss and Randle El but Brandon Lloyd can go. Keenan McCardell will probably retire but if he returns for league minimum, I would keep him. Reece Caldwell is an serviceable backup. James Thrash value is his versatility.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont know how an organization that has so much money tied up in one position would be justified in using high draft picks, and then throw another 10-20 million at an unproven player. Moss if healthy can play a #1. He has shown the last few weeks he can get open, I think he is limited by the coaching staff in some degree. Now, I do agree we would benefit from a true #2 guy. also, who is to say another year in Als offense these guys wouldn't flourish (randel el, caldwell, trash ect)

We all have an opinion, I guess we'll find out in April. I dont see how any pick would be wrong since we really haven't done crap with the current roster. Only thing that we should NOT draft is a QB. so, if they go WR.. so be it. He better be a complete stud.

I would normally agree with you, but then I looked at Moss' stats. Outside of the Pro Bowl year in '05 there's nothing there that speaks to his ability to be a #1. Last year I thought it was because of Brunell's lack of arm, but then what's the excuse this year? And it can't be because of safeties playing over the top, because all year I've seen us line up in a Cover 2 shell and consistently give up big plays, well aside from when we had Meast patrolling back there.

I don't think another year in the offense has anything to do with it, because Lloyd was here for two years and he actually regressed. And supposedly this offense is pretty simple, it has to be if Caldwell and McCardell can come in mid-season and contribute right away. So we have money tied up in the position, but we're not getting our money's worth, how do we fix that one?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And look what Brady is doing now with quality WRs around him.

Moss was great in 2005 but that's ancient history. Since then he's been injured and inconsistent. It's time to find a true #1 WR.

You can't count on a guy like Mix who we picked up off a practice squad.

None of that works for Brady if his line is not giving him the time to pass. As much as I would like a big time WR, I think we have to start building in the trenches.