Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Re the bolded part, Joe Gibbs has shown that he can't even do what Joe Gibbs has done in the past.

You keep harping on the great accomplishments of Joe Gibbs, but with four seasons in the books, proof's in the pudding at this point.

Now I'm not saying can him now, but I'm only saying that because I don't see candidates out there that would be a better fit or would do a better job. By default, that means I still hold him in decent regard to other coaches available.

But you're giving him carte blanche because he won Super Bowls in the 80s and 90s. I love him for those wins, but he has proven to be mediocre in the last four years. While I love looking back on the past, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of seeing the team mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

In the end, I'm on the same page as you, but for different reasons. Keep him next year for continuity's sake. But I'm not super thrilled with him as our head coach right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

In fact, I'll go one step further, if little Taylor's health is expected to be a continuing problem, and Joe Gibbs is having trouble dealing with the adversity, then that's MORE reason to get rid of him, not less reason.

That said, I don't think Gibbs is having trouble dealing with adversity at all. I think he's great at that part. He's great at focusing, and he's FANTASTIC at bringing men together through a tragedy like the Taylor situation. But he has not been good at establishing a running game that can run out the clock in the second half like he prefers to, and he has not been good at adjusting his strategy in the second half to make up for the fact that his run game isn't great. He also has not been good with clock/game management. In the end, those are the things contributing to our 5-7 record, not his grandson. He's trying his damndest, and he's focusing all he can. In the end, it's not getting done.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

In fact, I'll go one step further, if little Taylor's health is expected to be a continuing problem, and Joe Gibbs is having trouble dealing with the adversity, then that's MORE reason to get rid of him, not less reason.

That said, I don't think Gibbs is having trouble dealing with adversity at all. I think he's great at that part. He's great at focusing, and he's FANTASTIC at bringing men together through a tragedy like the Taylor situation. But he has not been good at establishing a running game that can run out the clock in the second half like he prefers to, and he has not been good at adjusting his strategy in the second half to make up for the fact that his run game isn't great. He also has not been good with clock/game management. In the end, those are the things contributing to our 5-7 record, not his grandson. He's trying his damndest, and he's focusing all he can. In the end, it's not getting done.

Agreed. And the thing is, he may be dealing with the adversity wonderfully as a man. But football coaches are measured with wins and losses. So people may say he couldn't cope. It may not be true, but it's all about those wins.

Your sig is funny by the way.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

We were better off with Bill Musgrave

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Well the issue with is grandson is a sad one but he is paid to win football games and if he has personal issues getting in the way then he sould retire. Using ST as an excuse is very poor because we have only played one game sense his death and what did Gibb's do? You also say give him a chance and only post these post if he fails. Right now what is his record? Do you call that not failing? I have backed Gibbs from day one and only until the past couple of weeks have I started to think that maybe its time for him to retire. If he stayes another year I'm not going to throw a fit but the thought of him retiring has crossed my mind.