Is Gibbs Getting His Mojo Back?

[Beemnseven]

What's different from the second half collapses we saw earlier, is that the offense continues to put points on the board to keep them in safe winning range. Even with the defense playing lights out in the first half, I knew it would be tough to shut out the Vikings.

And I can't help but wonder what our prospects would be if Campbell were still at the helm knowing what a turnover machine he's been. Todd Collins should get heaps of praise for staying in the pocket under consistent pressure without getting rattled while delivering pinpoint passes downfield.

Gibbs is a magnificent motivator of men, without question. He gets credit for keeping the team focused, and preparing them to play. In different, more subtle ways, he is gradually showing glimpses of the coach he was in the Glory Years.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

What's different from the second half collapses we saw earlier, is that the offense continues to put points on the board to keep them in safe winning range. Even with the defense playing lights out in the first half, I knew it would be tough to shut out the Vikings.

And I can't help but wonder what our prospects would be if Campbell were still at the helm knowing what a turnover machine he's been. Todd Collins should get heaps of praise for staying in the pocket under consistent pressure without getting rattled while delivering pinpoint passes downfield.

Gibbs is a magnificent motivator of men, without question. He gets credit for keeping the team focused, and preparing them to play. In different, more subtle ways, he is gradually showing glimpses of the coach he was in the Glory Years.

I too have wondered how well the team would be doing if Campbell were at the helm right now. This run by Collins definitely puts a little "pressure" on him to play within his game once he returns.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

And I can't help but wonder what our prospects would be if Campbell were still at the helm knowing what a turnover machine he's been.

JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.

Agreed.

I think JC gave us exactly what we should have expected from a first year starter.

He's right on the edge, I think next year we'll start to see that breakthrough.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Agreed.

I think JC gave us exactly what we should have expected from a first year starter.

He's right on the edge, I think next year we'll start to see that breakthrough.

Let's say Collins takes us to the playoffs, we win a game or two and he performs very well. I'm speculating but what the hell.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.

First year starting QB or not, he's responsible for 19 turnovers (11 picks, 8 fumbles lost) in 417 passing attempts. That's about a turnover every 22 passes.

Inexperienced or not, he's turning the ball over too much. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's no three game winning streak with him at quarterback.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

First year starting QB or not, he's responsible for 19 turnovers (11 picks, 8 fumbles lost) in 417 passing attempts. That's about a turnover every 22 passes.

Inexperienced or not, he's turning the ball over too much. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's no three game winning streak with him at quarterback.

Like I said in a previous thread the o-line is not allowing defenses to pressure TC at all. I still can't single out one week that Campbell has had protection like TC has the last three weeks.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

Like I said in a previous thread the o-line is not allowing defenses to pressure TC at all. I still can't single out one week that Campbell has had protection like TC has the last three weeks.

I'm not sure I agree with that. The problem for the O-line, up until the last game or two, has been run blocking. Pass protection has generally been good this year. And the fumbling problem has nothing to do with the offensive line. The coaches would agree that regardless of QB pressure, Jason has to protect the ball way better than he has.

Now, don't misunderstand ... I'm not trying to turn this into a bash Campbell routine. Clearly, he's the future of this franchise at quarterback -- not Todd Collins. In fact, Collins just might have more suitors around the league thanks to his recent performances. I think it just shows that Jason still has a long way to go.

[ArcticRed]

Joe getting his mojo back?!? He never lost it!

This is the reason Joe likes veterans for quarterbacks. They need to be experienced and "real smart". They have to have the ability to slow the game down and not get themselves to pressured to make a mistake.

Honestly, I think this is JC glaring flaw since the 3rd week of the season. He as inablility to keep a level head when the pressure mounts. It doesnt help he puts additional pressure on himself in the latter part of the game, to win it. He starts to hang on to the ball to long or puts himself in a situation he cant handle (passes a ball across his body to a receiver going the opposite direction and very well covered, when he could have ran it for a first down. UGH!). Think that was the Buc or Bill game.

Btw, if Brunell was in and the fumbling/Int was like this he would have been benched along time ago. Everyones giving JC the benefit of the doubt because hes a promising rookie. Well enough already, its playoff time and we need to focus on winning. We can toss JC the start position next year. Keep TC in till we lose or go all the way.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

First year starting QB or not, he's responsible for 19 turnovers (11 picks, 8 fumbles lost) in 417 passing attempts. That's about a turnover every 22 passes.

Inexperienced or not, he's turning the ball over too much. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's no three game winning streak with him at quarterback.

Wow, nice job of validating a point. I thought he was turning the ball over too much also.

[memphisskin]

Gibbs has always accepted the blame when he makes a mistake and gives it up to the players when we win, that kind of accountability wins players over. I like the way they are winning games, but the formula under Collins is different than the formula under Campbell. It could be a factor of Campbell's inexperience and the lack of trust the coaching staff has in him, but maybe not. Collins trusts the offense more because he's been in it longer, Campbell will get there.

Beemnseven pointed out that Campbell has 19 turnovers and it sounds significant, but is it really? Well yes, when you play conservative football. But if we didn't play it so tight to the vest, if our playmakers played up to their signing bonuses then it wouldn't matter at all. Our tight end is leading the team in catches and td catches, which would be cool but even his numbers are below what they could be. Romo has 18 picks, Peyton has 14, so while Campbell's picks aren't stellar they aren't out of line, especially for a young qb.