A Playoff question: Campbell or Collins?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

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so... sellers should just stay on the sidelines, too? And hey, why don't we cut rocky, jansen, rogers, too. we're winning without them.

wtf??? am I really the only one who does't see this as an issue. Collin's pass protection played a huge role in his success. I'm watching the game right now and there are several instances where he has over 3 seconds with an 8 man rush to throw the ball... that's freaking amazing... and the cooley touchdown he held it for around 5 seconds...

I guess you're the only one because from what I have seen of Collins he is on the money with the ball and he hasn't turned the ball over...can't say the same about JC this season (over throws and INTs). Until Collins screws up he deserves the chance to play regardless of how the o-line play has been.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by saden1

I guess you're the only one because from what I have seen of Collins he is on the money with the ball and he hasn't turned the ball over...can't say the same about JC this season (over throws and INTs). Until Collins screws up he deserves the chance to play regardless of how the o-line play has been.

okay, so why would you not let collins start next season as well? that's what i don't understand. If you truly feel you have a better qb, start him...

Are you saying that you start collins next year over a healthy JC?


I guess I'm struggling with the whole idea that these games are too important for a healthy JC, but he's our guy... and what kind of message that sends to him, or to Collins for that matter?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

okay, so why would you not let collins start next season as well? that's what i don't understand. If you truly feel you have a better qb, start him...

Are you saying that you start collins next year over a healthy JC?


I guess I'm struggling with the whole idea that these games are too important for a healthy JC, but he's our guy... and what kind of message that sends to him, or to Collins for that matter?

If I'm not mistaken Jason Campbell has to earn the job...if he can't beat out Collins by all means start Collins next year too!

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by saden1

If I'm not mistaken Jason Campbell has to earn the job...if he can't beat out Collins by all means start Collins next year too!

again, the guy wasn't benched... he got hurt. So next year we re-sign collins and have an open QB competition in camp if Collins finishes stong?

Im just sick of having QB issues in this franchise, and if we're going to stick with Campbell and are counting on him to be the franchise QB, he needs to be in there. You don't bench your healthy starter in the important games, and if we or the team lacks that confidence, why wouldn't we persue a guy like McNabb?

I would take it as a vote of no confidence in JC.... its not like Collins is out there putting up 400 yards and 4tds/game, and yesterday he played against one of the worst pass D's in the league... if you're going to throw out the Giants game because of the wind you have to also consider the opponent yesterday.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

okay, so why would you not let collins start next season as well? that's what i don't understand. If you truly feel you have a better qb, start him...

Are you saying that you start collins next year over a healthy JC?


I guess I'm struggling with the whole idea that these games are too important for a healthy JC, but he's our guy... and what kind of message that sends to him, or to Collins for that matter?

This year has nothing to do with next year. Right now ride the hot hand in Collins and Campbell is unquestionably the starter next year. Hell, it's probably a long shot that Campbell would be healthy enough to return soon anyway, so this whole debate is probably all for nothing.

How about this scenario. Just pure hypothetical of course, what if Collins got the team to the NFC Championship and then Campbell was declared 100% ready to go. Would you still make the switch at that point?

[SFREDSKIN]

This Collins vs. Campbell debate is clearly explained by JLC:

TODD COLLINS - Dude is balling right now. No two ways about it. Jason Campbell is The Future and anyone who even thinks there should be a QB conundrum next season is crazy, to me, but having Collins as Mr. Present ain't bad and Todd has played his way into a hefty payday as a back-up beyond this season. The Skins are going to have to ante up to keep him as an unrestricted free agent.

Save for the fumble on the quick snap to beat that replay challenge, he was excellent. 22-for-29 for 254 with 2 TDs and no picks doesn't leave much to nitpick. Timing was off on some throws, but he has a 107 rating in three games for goodness sake, including that wind-swept night in Hoffa's swamp.

Collins had a pass of 20 yards or longer in each quarter, and the offense did a nice job picking on kid corner Marcus McCauley - who I think is going to be a good one - whether he was lined up on Reche Caldwell (nice game by him, some huge third-down catches) or Santana Moss.. Again, pressed for time before this flight to meet up with my family near Cooperstown takes off (if it does take off), but you guys tell me the last time that's happened around here. The Skins have 7 passes of 30 yards or more in 2-plus games since Collins replaced JC against the Bears. They had 11 such passes in the first 12 games.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about this scenario. Just pure hypothetical of course, what if Collins got the team to the NFC Championship and then Campbell was declared 100% ready to go. Would you still make the switch at that point?

If I were making the call


at 100%... the only thing that would keep Campbell out of any playoff game or superbowl would be if Collins was throwing for 300+ yards and 3tds in the last couple of games. Campbell was a huge part of getting us this far, and I couldn't forget that. He's done the things the coaches wanted to see him do and everyone says he's worked the hardest of anyone on the team. If I'm coaching I reward that by giving him the chance. He's done what was asked of him and beyond to EARN that starting job already... thats why he's the starter.

If it's my team he doesn't lose it because of an injury. Unless he walks into the game and throws three picks in the first half I'd stay committed to him, too.

I love what Collins is doing right now, and I don't want to take anything away from it and appreciate it to the point where it pains me to detract from his accomplishments through this conversation, but I can't help but be guarded about crowning him our savior just yet... There's got to be a reason he hasn't started in 10 years. If he were that good someone would've seen it before he was 36 and the guy would've landed a starting job somewhere by now.


Let me play devil's advocate.... Its your team Matty, and we're going into the NFC championship game. Lets speculate that Collins hasn't been giong berserk, but playing well and managing the games well.

How do you explain to a perfectly healthy JC that He's not going to play, but not to get discouraged because he's our future QB without having him question your loyalty to him... Why would he go out next year and lay it on the line for you... stand in the pocket and take the hits to deliver the ball.... work so hard in the offseason and take his game to the next level, if once at the pinnacle, you're willing to jerk the rug out from under him...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about this scenario. Just pure hypothetical of course, what if Collins got the team to the NFC Championship and then Campbell was declared 100% ready to go. Would you still make the switch at that point?

If Todd Collins can keep up this level of play for six games, and I mean, if he's the reason we are in the NFC Championship game because the defense has struggled and we won a few shootouts, then I think we could make a case to keep him entrenched as the starter.

The bottom line is that you have to play your best QB. Who's playing well right now can be a mirage: the idea is to play the guy who WILL play the best, not HAS played the best. After three impressive games from Collins, I still have no reason to think he's better than a healthy Campbell.

Do you?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Todd Collins can keep up this level of play for six games, and I mean, if he's the reason we are in the NFC Championship game because the defense has struggled and we won a few shootouts, then I think we could make a case to keep him entrenched as the starter.

The bottom line is that you have to play your best QB. Who's playing well right now can be a mirage: the idea is to play the guy who WILL play the best, not HAS played the best. After three impressive games from Collins, I still have no reason to think he's better than a healthy Campbell.

Do you?

Right now Collins is easily the better QB. The numbers don't lie.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right now Collins is easily the better QB. The numbers don't lie.

Collins is the better QB right now because JC is hurt. A 100% healthy JC is still the better QB.

Again, however, there is no chance JC can be at 100% in the next month, so I don't think it's a difficult decision who starts - Collins. If we're talking hypotheticals, though, then a 100% healthy (including conditioning) JC would have to get the start over Collins, because he is simply a better QB.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Collins is the better QB right now because JC is hurt. A 100% healthy JC is still the better QB.

Again, however, there is no chance JC can be at 100% in the next month, so I don't think it's a difficult decision who starts - Collins. If we're talking hypotheticals, though, then a 100% healthy (including conditioning) JC would have to get the start over Collins, because he is simply a better QB.

What??? Collins has put up better numbers than Campbell, can run the entire offensive play book, hasn't thrown an interception, and has won all three games he has been in. He is the best QB for right now. Campbell will probably become a better QB than Collins very soon, and there is no question he has more natural ability, but he still has some growing to do!