Four Years Later: Are We Better Off?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

except we do have a playoff win

Yes I forgot about that win. Thanks for catching that. 1 for 3 in the playoffs is not what most on this board would have expected. It Still does not change the fact that this team always seems to look like its getting better but it never does.

[#56fanatic]

To me, roster means nothing. look at the superbowl teams NE fielded. No really big names, but just players. We have lived off the hype of the roster for 10 years, and really nothing to show for it. I do think having Campbell is one of the bright spots. Cooley, Landry, and Rocky - other than that who knows. I can't put Moss in that catagory because you just dont know. He had one stellar year, and average for the rest. I dont think we are any better than we were 4 years ago. records speak of that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

To me, roster means nothing. look at the superbowl teams NE fielded. No really big names, but just players. We have lived off the hype of the roster for 10 years, and really nothing to show for it. I do think having Campbell is one of the bright spots. Cooley, Landry, and Rocky - other than that who knows. I can't put Moss in that catagory because you just dont know. He had one stellar year, and average for the rest. I dont think we are any better than we were 4 years ago. records speak of that.

what records are you looking at?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

To me, roster means nothing. look at the superbowl teams NE fielded. No really big names, but just players. We have lived off the hype of the roster for 10 years, and really nothing to show for it. I do think having Campbell is one of the bright spots. Cooley, Landry, and Rocky - other than that who knows. I can't put Moss in that catagory because you just dont know. He had one stellar year, and average for the rest. I dont think we are any better than we were 4 years ago. records speak of that.

You mean big-names like Brady, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Asante Samuel? Many of those guys were free agents BTW.

As for our record, it was 5-11 in 2003 and 9-7 this year. Almost doubling your wins is pretty decent IMO, but maybe that is just me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You mean big-names like Brady, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Asante Samuel? Many of those guys were free agents BTW.

As for our record, it was 5-11 in 2003 and 9-7 this year. Almost doubling your wins is pretty decent IMO, but maybe that is just me.

To play devil's advocate though I can see where people might say but we went from 6-10 to 5-11 to 10-6 to 9-7.

However, I think the first year was a wash. And the ensuing years started to forming the future of this team by selecting guys like Rogers, Golston, Montgomery, Cooley, Landry, Campbell, etc.; keeping core guys like Cooley; establishing a new (but proven in the league) offense; and more than anything establishing a culture of unity and confidence.

I don't deal with them much anymore on a personal level so I only know from secondhand knowledge what's it like inside Redskins Park. But I dealt with them almost every day from Summer 1998 to December 1992 and it was a horrible environment. It was a defeatist, every man for himself culture. The Turner era was one of disrespect, Schottenheimer one of egos (but not Matty), though it may have been the most similar to this one in terms of confidencek and the Spurrier era one of apathy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You mean big-names like Brady, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Asante Samuel? Many of those guys were free agents BTW.

As for our record, it was 5-11 in 2003 and 9-7 this year. Almost doubling your wins is pretty decent IMO, but maybe that is just me.

Who?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You mean big-names like Brady, Randy Moss, Richard Seymour, Teddy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Asante Samuel? Many of those guys were free agents BTW.

As for our record, it was 5-11 in 2003 and 9-7 this year. Almost doubling your wins is pretty decent IMO, but maybe that is just me.

Only Moss, Colvin, and Thomas I think.

I think we got a lot of significant pieces between January 2004 and September 2004, something I did not consider when I first voted. Though this team was 6-10 in 2004, it just simply lacked the balance of a great offense. Since day one, Gibbs and Williams made the defense a priority and have enjoyed a level of sustained success that we never could before.

Due to this misunderstanding of dates, I'd like to strip my own republic, and recast my vote for being better. We may not be much better on the whole than in 2004, but the quality of loss in 2004 was just so much higher than in 2003, especially late in the year.

Had Brunell been healthy that year, thats likely a playoff team.

[backrow]

For those undecided out there, our poll says it all. At this moment, 10:45 p.m. on Monday night, our poll says 73% for Joe Redskins better off.

And that's the way I voted.

Two (2) PO teams in four (4) years says it all, since we had little to brag about during the two previous coaches tenures.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by backrow

For those undecided out there, our poll says it all. At this moment, 10:45 p.m. on Monday night, our poll says 73% for Joe Redskins better off.

And that's the way I voted.

Two (2) PO teams in four (4) years says it all, since we had little to brag about during the two previous coaches tenures.

Looks like Irish is his own team. I'm actually surprised out of the 100+ active people on this site that not 1 person actually feels the way he does.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Looks like Irish is his own team. I'm actually surprised out of the 100+ active people on this site that not 1 person actually feels the way he does.

I was certain he would feel that way. But you know what they say, even a blind squirrel...

Seriously though, I thought there'd be at least one person who voted that way

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Only Moss, Colvin, and Thomas I think.

Mike Vrabel was as well. Additionally, the Pats acquired Donte Stallworth(Philly's former #1 wideout) and Rodney Harrison in free agency and Wes Welker via trade. They've got a nice "base" of draftees, but with big-name FA like Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Mike Vrabel, and Rodney Harrison it is kind of hard to argue with a straight face that the Pats is built solely through the draft. In fact, about half that team's starting lineup consists of free agent acquisitions.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Mike Vrabel was as well. Additionally, the Pats acquired Donte Stallworth(Philly's former #1 wideout) and Rodney Harrison in free agency and Wes Welker via trade. They've got a nice "base" of draftees, but with big-name FA like Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker, Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas, Mike Vrabel, and Rodney Harrison it is kind of hard to argue with a straight face that the Pats is built solely through the draft. In fact, about half that team's starting lineup consists of free agent acquisitions.

and trades. Moss and Welker were both trades right?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

and trades. Moss and Welker were both trades right?

Yup. Thanks for the clarification.