Do you trust Snyder?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well your disdain of Snyder is well documented both here, and on your own site. Quite honestly, it's hard to expect much of a reasoned argument from you on this when you keep referring to him as Danny Boy. Already you're being dismissive in simply referring to him that way. So I defer to the opinions of others on this topic.

Further, yes Ramsey was a bad move on his part. And he's also suggested, key word: suggested, other players which the Redskins ultimately chose not to draft. Also, he did recommend Rock Cartwright and he hasn't been too bad for a 7th rounder.

Defensewins, my apologies to you. I didn't read what you wrote clearly enough. I always get baffled/annoyed though when people-as they often do, but not in your case her-assume JKC was some sort of humble pious man who never got involved in any of the decision making of the team. All he did was write checks. All that is untrue. Plus, as everyone knows, the salary cap era has radically changed how you can build a roster. To compare the two eras is not fair.

And just to add, he really wanted to draft Santana Moss over Rod Gardner, but he ultimately left the decision up to Marty.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Defensewins, my apologies to you. I didn't read what you wrote clearly enough. I always get baffled/annoyed though when people-as they often do, but not in your case her-assume JKC was some sort of humble pious man who never got involved in any of the decision making of the team. All he did was write checks. All that is untrue. Plus, as everyone knows, the salary cap era has radically changed how you can build a roster. To compare the two eras is not fair.

I appreciate your post. Yeah I am old enough to remember JKC and he was not humble or quiet in any way.
It is rumored that the salary cap was originally created by the other owners because of JKC and the fear of his money. The 1992 Sb team had over $100M in total salary. In 1993 when the salary cap was installed it lead to the Redskins quick downfall in talent and depth.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by lowblowlandry

Wow Defensewins, the NFL game and high school/college (especially when Jerry Jones played college) are soo different. Having played football as a youth gives Jones no advantage over Snyder as a "football man" other than being a more athletic youngster. Is that really an advantage for an owner or General Manager?

I think people who already have their negative opinions of Snyder set in stone are trying to rationalize to themselves why the Redskins can't be successful with him.

It is called experience. You are going to say a guy that played in and was part of a major college program has NO advantage over a guy that never was around any organized football team? Jones saw first hand how a successful major college program is run. He saw this from the inside. You are saying he did not learn anything from this experience?
I have no set in stone opinions of Snyder other than the track record Snyder has created for himself. Before Gibbs arrived Snyder did not do a good job of running the Redskins. Hey if Snyder begins to do a better job of being co-GM with Cerratto, I will be the first person to praise them and wish many more years of continuing success. Until then, all I have to go on is their history.

[SmootSmack]

Jack Kent Cooke had no ego? You're kidding right? JKC had a huge ego.

Furthermore,

WashingtonPost.com: Gibbs Hired as Redskins Coach After Meeting With Cooke

"Cooke wants to make the Redskin games "fun for the fans" and he wants to see more passing and more progressive thinking on offense. Cooke was very impressed with the Chargers this season, especially because they were entertaining even when they lost."

If Snyder had chimed in like that in this day and age, whether he's right or not, there'd be people with torches ready to burn his house down.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Jack Kent Cooke had no ego? You're kidding right? JKC had a huge ego.

Furthermore,

WashingtonPost.com: Gibbs Hired as Redskins Coach After Meeting With Cooke

"Cooke wants to make the Redskin games "fun for the fans" and he wants to see more passing and more progressive thinking on offense. Cooke was very impressed with the Chargers this season, especially because they were entertaining even when they lost."

If Snyder had chimed in like that in this day and age, whether he's right or not, there'd be people with torches ready to burn his house down.

I did not say Mr. Cooke had no ego. I said Mr. Cooke did not have an ego to let him think he had the experience and knowledge to make football decisions like drafting players and getting involved in the day to day personnel decisions that Snyder gets involved in. That is all.

[12thMan]

I think Snyder's, Gibbs, and Williams conversation went something like this.

Snyder: Gregg, Joe and I think the world of you and what you've done for this organization...myself included. Now, you and I haven't always seen eye to eye on things, but we believe you're our guy. But you know that business is business, and we have to go through the process of looking at all the options on the table...other candidates.

What we're going to do is bring in, per your suggestion, Jimmy later this week and sit down with him and see where he's at with things, you know. You two know each other and everything, so it's not a big deal. I think what Joe and I are gonna do from there is fly down to Arizona and talk to Russ about things.

Gibbs: Now, Gregg I've been up front with you from day one. (Williams nodding) In my heart, I think you're probably the guy that I'm hoping to take this thing over and keep it going in the right direction. To me, Gregg, you're a Redskin, and that's the most important thing, first of all. I was telling Pat just the other day how close I've become to you and your boys and how I think the world of you all--okay... and you know how I personally feel about family and things like that. But like Danny said, we just have to go through this process and kick the tires a little bit just to make sure everybody up there is okay with the way we handled everything. But like I said, I think with everything that has gone on from Sean to Jason and the way you handled the situtation with Carlos and Rocky going down, we feel you're a class act. I don't think anyone could have kept things together over there any better than you did after we loss Sean. Anything you have for us?

Williams: I love you, man.

[stone]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think Snyder's, Gibbs, and Williams conversation went something like this.

Snyder: Gregg, Joe and I think the world of you and what you've done for this organization...myself included. Now, you and I haven't always seen eye to eye on things, but we believe you're our guy. But you know that business is business, and we have to go through the process of looking at all the options on the table...other candidates.

What we're going to do is bring in, per your suggestion, Jimmy later this week and sit down with him and see where he's at with things, you know. You two know each other and everything, so it's not a big deal. I think what Joe and I are gonna do from there is fly down to Arizona and talk to Russ about things.

Gibbs: Now, Gregg I've up front with you from day one. (Williams nodding) In my heart, I think you're probably the guy that I'm hoping take this thing over and keep it going in the right direction. To me, Gregg, you're a Redskin, and that's the most important thing first of all. But like Danny said, we just have to go through this process and kick the tires a little bit just to make sure everybody "up there" is okay with the way we handled everything. But like I said, I think with everything that has gone on from Sean to Jason and the way you handled Carlos and Rocky going down, we feel you're a class act. Anything you have for us?

Williams: I love you, man.

Freakin hilarious

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think Snyder's, Gibbs, and Williams conversation went something like this.

Snyder: Gregg, Joe and I think the world of you and what you've done for this organization...myself included. Now, you and I haven't always seen eye to eye on things, but we believe you're our guy. But you know that business is business, and we have to go through the process of looking at all the options on the table...other candidates.

What we're going to do is bring in, per your suggestion, Jimmy later this week and sit down with him and see where he's at with things, you know. You two know each other and everything, so it's not a big deal. I think what Joe and I are gonna do from there is fly down to Arizona and talk to Russ about things.

Gibbs: Now, Gregg I've up front with you from day one. (Williams nodding) In my heart, I think you're probably the guy that I'm hoping take this thing over and keep it going in the right direction. To me, Gregg, you're a Redskin, and that's the most important thing first of all. But like Danny said, we just have to go through this process and kick the tires a little bit just to make sure everybody "up there" is okay with the way we handled everything. But like I said, I think with everything that has gone on from Sean to Jason and the way you handled Carlos and Rocky going down, we feel you're a class act. Anything you have for us?

Williams: I love you, man.

LOL!! Nice 12th.

You forgot Gibbs saying, "for me, personally, from a Redskins standpoint, this was very hard fought...."

[SteveR3d]

I'd have to say Yes. I think we saw a different Snyder this year, especially after Sean's death and Joe retiring.

[cwboyh8ter]

I sure hope he does! But unless we get a GM we are still screwed! HAIL!!