Chargers and Norv

[ncskinsfanec]

You've got to feel good for ole' Norval, he's exceeded the expectations that most everyone had of him in San Diego. It would certainly be something if the Chargers knock off New England next week.

[70Chip]

When he sent Sprowles in with the screen play, he looked like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime, in The Year of The Norv. Best Playcaller ever.

Also, all this Norv bashing is horseshit. Norv Turner is one of the most decent human beings you will ever see. Him vs. Belichick is the starkest contrast of good vs. evil that one is likely to ever see outside of an old Hollywood melodrama. And, he has the defense to stop the Patriots a couple of times in the final ten minutes which is what their previous opponents have lacked.

[Redskin]

I cant believe the colts lost....I was rooting for them to win.

That being said the play calling was good and the chargers are winning games. Norv has to be some part of that.

Now lets hope they can pull another feather out of his ass and beat the pats.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

As for insight, he's a cowboy who was completely useless as our head coach. Always looked defeated before we even played the game. Hell, he spent half the game whining to the officials today. Nice is great and all but it doesn't get it done. I agree with others who've said the team's success is centered around the roster and not the HC. I've never watched a Norv coached game and said, wow that was a great adjustment or what a nice call. Point's going to be moot 7 days from now anyway, after they get destroyed by NE.

You've never watched Norv and said nice call? You don't know football. He can put a defensive weakness on the spot as well as anyone I've seen. You need to look closer.

BTW, Jerry Austin's holding flag on that Cromartie TD was complete horseshit. If that was holding then all blocking is holding.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I dealt with Norv Turner at least weekly behind the scenes for 2 and a half years. Decent guy, but I don't doubt for one minute that this team is winning despite him. Sure, some of it here might have been the players he had. He expected Gus Frerotte to be Troy Aikman, which he obviously wasn't. But Norv wouldn't budge. Did the same with Brad Johnson, who at least grasped things a lot better than Gus. Norv, similar to Spurrier, seemed to have no concept of what anyone beyond the QB was up to on the team. The whole locker room was filled with chaos and confusion. It was just ugly.

Now I understand he's not entirely to blame, but as the head coach he bears significant responsibility. I can't say I ever saw a time where he took charge and people said "that's our leader."

People speculate, and I would tend to agree, that Marvin Lewis was the true leader of the clubhouse while he was here with Spurrier. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar is happening in San Diego.

Norv's not a bad guy, but he shouldn't keep getting these great opportunities at the expense of others.

The locker room sucked because of people like Brian Mitchell who we were told by the press were leaders but who now are seen for what they were - self serving douchebags. Belechik's dfense better step it up or they will get rolled by Norv's matchup brilliance. Seau and Bruschi are two slow, aging targets for exploitation.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

He was hated here in Washington and deserved to be hated. So I don't care if he ever succeeds.

Actually, it was my understanding that by the end of his first year many players had bought into the Schottenheimer method. I know he ticked a lot of them off at first (Oklahoma drills, trying to tell DG how to play cornerback), but, after his turnaround at the end of the year, I thought many of the players wanted him back.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

The locker room sucked because of people like Brian Mitchell who we were told by the press were leaders but who now are seen for what they were - self serving douchebags. Belechik's dfense better step it up or they will get rolled by Norv's matchup brilliance. Seau and Bruschi are two slow, aging targets for exploitation.

Actually I see this the other way: If Brady thinks he can walk right into this one and have his way with the Chargers defense because that's what worked in week two, there is no way the Pats will even put up 20 points. The Chargers defense was the weakness of that team in week 2, but over the last ten weeks, it's really emerged as the best defense in the league.

Peyton Manning had a great day passing the ball statistically on them, but when his team needed one score to win, the Chargers D said uh, uh. I don't think Tom Brady is any more capable of cracking an elite defense than Manning is. In fact, I know for sure he is not.

If the San Diego offense does it's job, this one could be 24-10 at half.

[redsk1]

This thread was about giving Norv a little credit for winning 8 games in a row in a tough afc, winning 2 playoff games in a row (1 against the defending SB champs in their house, w/ a backup QB in the 4th quarter and backup RB all day). Norv is not Lombardy but let's give him an ounce of credit, how about it?

Marty IS a better coach than Norv, i don't think anyone here will dispute it. Marty is a GREAT coach imo. However, Norv deserves just a little credit too for a great season so far.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

You've never watched Norv and said nice call? You don't know football. He can put a defensive weakness on the spot as well as anyone I've seen. You need to look closer.

BTW, Jerry Austin's holding flag on that Cromartie TD was complete horseshit. If that was holding then all blocking is holding.

Yea there were a lot of questionable if not false or bad no calls in that game IMO. Really poor refereeing IMO

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Actually I see this the other way: If Brady thinks he can walk right into this one and have his way with the Chargers defense because that's what worked in week two, there is no way the Pats will even put up 20 points. The Chargers defense was the weakness of that team in week 2, but over the last ten weeks, it's really emerged as the best defense in the league.

Peyton Manning had a great day passing the ball statistically on them, but when his team needed one score to win, the Chargers D said uh, uh. I don't think Tom Brady is any more capable of cracking an elite defense than Manning is. In fact, I know for sure he is not.

If the San Diego offense does it's job, this one could be 24-10 at half.

Actually what hurt Indy was the fluke turnovers in the red zone. It they don't turn it over they win hands down.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Actually what hurt Indy was the fluke turnovers in the red zone. It they don't turn it over they win hands down.

Why do they have to be fluke turnovers, why cant it be a good defense steeping up when its back is against the wall.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Yea there were a lot of questionable if not false or bad no calls in that game IMO. Really poor refereeing IMO

It seemed a lot of the timely or bad calls favored the Colts.
I was a neutral observer of the game until the ref made that game changing and incorrect call nullifying the TD.It was a major call.
During the CBS halftime show coach Cowher and co-hosts all agreed it was a bad call and mentioned the ref by name because he has had numerous run ins with them. That ref needs to be demoted.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Anybody remember Bill Callahan taking Oak to the SB? That's how I see Norv's success this year. Schottenheimer put together a tough team and now Norv is riding those coattails as far as they'll take him.

Yea and Schottenheimer could not even win one playoff game with basically the same talent. People have also said that Dallas head coach (forgot his name) took over a winning Parcels team and they did not win a playoff game. Like Norve or not he has won two playoff games and did so without LT and his QB. Most people thought the Colts would win the game and if you said LT and Palmer would be out no one would have given them much of a chance at all. Norve coached a great game and won which allot of good coaches could not do this week or last week.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

You've never watched Norv and said nice call? You don't know football. He can put a defensive weakness on the spot as well as anyone I've seen. You need to look closer.

BTW, Jerry Austin's holding flag on that Cromartie TD was complete horseshit. If that was holding then all blocking is holding.

Let me clarify, I've never watched Norv as a head coach and said nice call. Plenty of times as a coordinator, Never as a head coach. Maybe I don't know football.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Redskin

Why do they have to be fluke turnovers, why cant it be a good defense steeping up when its back is against the wall.

Those were not forced turnovers IMO. But shit happens. SD had some bad calls go against them so I guess it evens out.