JLC: The Cerrato Era Has Begun

[Schneed10]

The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

Has any Quarterback in the last few years acutally had an issue with adapting to the west coast? It's no longer a gimmick offense, it's designed to hit right at the crux of how ball games are won.

And it should take some much needed stress off the OL in the passing game.

A lot of people are making a big stink about all of these changes, but the fundamentals are still exactly the same. Philosophy changes, but that's not really going to be an issue for the players, unless they overthink it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Has any Quarterback in the last few years acutally had an issue with adapting to the west coast? It's no longer a gimmick offense, it's designed to hit right at the crux of how ball games are won.

And it should take some much needed stress off the OL in the passing game.

A lot of people are making a big stink about all of these changes, but the fundamentals are still exactly the same. Philosophy changes, but that's not really going to be an issue for the players, unless they overthink it.

I can't think of too many teams who have taken a QB coming from a non-West Coast system and tried to morph him to a West Coast QB. Can you think of any?

I mean Tampa chose Garcia. Holmgren grabbed Hasselbeck from Green Bay. Andy Reid developed McNabb from scratch. I can't think of a West Coast team choosing a non West Coast QB. I think there's got to be a reason for that, they're very different systems emphasizing very different skill sets.

Campbell may just translate well to it with the right coaching. But I think you're way off in saying the system won't be an issue.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't think of too many teams who have taken a QB coming from a non-West Coast system and tried to morph him to a West Coast QB. Can you think of any?

I mean Tampa chose Garcia. Holmgren grabbed Hasselbeck from Green Bay. Andy Reid developed McNabb from scratch. I can't think of a West Coast team choosing a non West Coast QB. I think there's got to be a reason for that, they're very different systems emphasizing very different skill sets.

Campbell may just translate well to it with the right coaching. But I think you're way off in saying the system won't be an issue.

Right off the top of my head I can't think of any. But, and I realize it was college, but there must be a reason Campbell did best playing in a WCO. And I don't believe it's simply because he had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. And if that is the case, well we have Portis and Betts

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Right off the top of my head I can't think of any. But, and I realize it was college, but there must be a reason Campbell did best playing in a WCO. And I don't believe it's simply because he had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. And if that is the case, well we have Portis and Betts

college WCO and NFL WCO are completely different. holes close soo much faster that it's really hard to correlate the two in terms of projected success.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't think of too many teams who have taken a QB coming from a non-West Coast system and tried to morph him to a West Coast QB. Can you think of any?

I mean Tampa chose Garcia. Holmgren grabbed Hasselbeck from Green Bay. Andy Reid developed McNabb from scratch. I can't think of a West Coast team choosing a non West Coast QB. I think there's got to be a reason for that, they're very different systems emphasizing very different skill sets.

Campbell may just translate well to it with the right coaching. But I think you're way off in saying the system won't be an issue.

System is an issue. Just not one we can ever evaluate due to the impossibility to seperate it from the players themselves.

Off the top of my head:

Rich Gannon (1999)
Brian Griese (2004)
Brad Johnson (2001)
Marc Bulger (2006)
Chad Pennington (2006)
Delhomme, maybe?

The big issue with the WCO is that it usually combines itself with another offensive philosophy. You don't really see an offense that ever does what wikipedia would define as the WCO. Therefore, we can't predict right now if there will be any player struggles, since we don't yet know what if anything is changing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

The quick release and accuracy on the intermediate passes is certainly something Campbell will have to work on perfecting. But it also helps in the WCO to have a strong arm like Campbell's. While the WCO doesn't incorporate the deep pass too often, it's the perfect offense for the occasional bomb

What I find most interesting is that, while it's true that QBs in that offense tend to be a bit shorter than Campbell, Zorn worked with Matt Hasselbeck who is roughly the same size as Campbell; so he knows what's he working with here.

I personally love the west coast offense. Not sure why exactly, I think it's the quick passes marching down the field and the potential for a big YAC.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

I totally agree. As soon as I heard about Zorn's west coast O roots, I knew it would be tough for JC, but especially after reading that it's disturbing. How many systems can he learn before he gets really frustrated?

What was more depressing to me was that GW wanted to keep Al on board.