Merged Thread: Romney Drops Out; Can McCain Defeat Democrats?

[RobH4413]

As far as against Obama... I'm not totally sure about that one...

One of Obama's big issues is on lobbyist reform, and things of that nature. McCain pretty much owns that issue...but I'm not sure people even look at the issues anymore. So many opinions are based on rhetoric... and Obama certainly is a better speaker.


McCain Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com

[saden1]

He absolutely has a shot if he is running against Hillary. I believe if she is the democratic nominee she will turn off a lot of folks and energize the republican base not necessarily to vote for McCain but to vote against her.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

As far as against Obama... I'm not totally sure about that one...

One of Obama's big issues is on lobbyist reform, and things of that nature. McCain pretty much owns that issue...but I'm not sure people even look at the issues anymore. So many opinions are based on rhetoric... and Obama certainly is a better speaker.


McCainÂ*Calls to Reform Pork Barrel Politics - washingtonpost.com

Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.

He won't get through a general election campaign without this being hammered. Whether it will matter is the question. Don't worry though, people won't be able to ignore it.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Obama's campaign is not about issues at all. If people focused on his voting record in The Senate, for instance, they would see that he is the most Liberal member of that body -even more Liberal than Bernie Sanders who describes himself as a socialist. He doesn't want people to focus on that, which is why he always talks about "moving beyond politics". Unfortunately, when the dust clears, politics is what politicians do. Anyone who buys into Obama based on his appealing personality and expects things to be in any way different, is setting themself up to be disappointed. In fact, I think anyone who looks to politics for some sense of "meaning", is begging to be lied to.

What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.

Obama never gets specific on any issue. He generally speaks in general terms such as "we need change!" However, he doesn't tell us what he's like to change to.

Every stop Clinton makes, she tells her audience what new government program she'll create for them. If you add up all of this new spending, it's impossible to fulfill and if she tried to, we'd be handing over nearly ALL of our income to the government.

Unfortunately, McCain DOES get specific. I say unfortunately because he becomes less and less attractive as a candidate when he speaks of his plans such as amnesty. (he won't admit it is amnesty, but it is)



I'm really disappointed in the choice of candidates on both sides this election.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Obama never gets specific on any issue. He generally speaks in general terms such as "we need change!" However, he doesn't tell us what he's like to change to.

Every stop Clinton makes, she tells her audience what new government program she'll create for them. If you add up all of this new spending, it's impossible to fulfill and if she tried to, we'd be handing over nearly ALL of our income to the government.

Unfortunately, McCain DOES get specific. I say unfortunately because he becomes less and less attractive as a candidate when he speaks of his plans such as amnesty. (he won't admit it is amnesty, but it is)



I'm really disappointed in the choice of candidates on both sides this election.

You as a citizen need to do your homework. See the problems, see his solutions.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

What issues do you feel he hasn't addressed or talked about? You can't make a blanket statement like that and if you are back it up or include all the other candidates cause they fair no better.

I do agree that he talks pretty which is why he is getting a lot of support but I don't think that's all there is to him.

I'm not the only one. Joe Klein, who is no conservative writes:

[T]here was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is...There is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama's stump speech: it is always the same. It sets his audiences afire, but it does not reach very far beyond them. It is no accident that Obama is nearly invincible in caucus states, where the ability to mobilize a hard core of activists is key — but not so strong in primaries, where more diverse masses of people are involved. He should be very worried that this nomination is likely to be decided in the big working-class primary states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.