Dan Snyder losing respectability?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well Gibbs didn't back Saunders. And as for backing Williams, Snyder and Williams went through four interviews and couldn't resolve what everyone knows has been a less than cordial relationship for four years.

Now, would you rather he had hired Williams knowing neither really cares for each other and would have a hard time working together. And would probably look to split at the first true opportunity? Or would you rather they just cut the cord now before it got really ugly?

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

He did hire him, but he later said he made a mistake. I have no link, I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it. I don't know that he really deserved it for any reason other than he was a good lieutenant for the past four years and I knew it wasn't likely to last more than a year. But I knew that if they didn't hire him, it would cause a huge backlash. An unnecessary backlash.

It's true Snyder doesn't get along with too many people (though more than people assume), but here's the thing...neither does Williams.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it.

Your statement says it all.
I agree....

The issue is many of the fans thought a tie should go to the existing coach because of massive support and continuity would create a better environment for future success.

Now, there is only a single choice and it is Fassell who many should have lost head to head with Williams.

But of course, no matter the decision, we must all support our team, regardless of whether we think it is a mistake or not

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I probably would have hired Williams too, though I was pretty torn on it. I don't know that he really deserved it for any reason other than he was a good lieutenant for the past four years and I knew it wasn't likely to last more than a year. But I knew that if they didn't hire him, it would cause a huge backlash. An unnecessary backlash.

It's true Snyder doesn't get along with too many people (though more than people assume), but here's the thing...neither does Williams.

As for Williams deserving it: He HAD been a good lieutenant. He did a fine job with the resources at hand. More importantly, last year, after a horrible prior year, Williams was willing to come in and, essentially, tear up the prior year's play book, stop forcing a system that wasn't necessarily suited to his players, and adapt so that, rather than his brilliance, the players abilities shined through. In other words, Williams as coach showed some essential growth by adapting to his players rather than having his players adapt (totally) to him. As a result, his coaching improved.

As for Snyder and William not getting along with people, or with each other: IMO, Snyder has NOT shown this ability to subordinate his will. Marty may have gutted the team and lost five, he then turned the team around and made a solid run. Even though Marty was turning things around from camp Norv, Snyder, in your words, "was uncomfortable". Why? B/c Marty was running the show, not Little Danny. Now, again, faced with a coach who had shown the ability to adapt to his talent and who had the backing of his players - Danny essentially is unable to subordinate his will to that of the "football man".

Bottom line - Danny, as Jerry Jones and Al Davis, wants to run the show. It's his property and he's the one who payed millions for it, but, until he has success, he will catch hell.

Part of the problem with his obsession to succeed is that it appears to be a need to succeed his way. "His way" has not been a success, and, because of its lack of success, he has little credibility w/ fans or the national press when continues to pursue it.

B/c I am a fan, I hope he succeeds - not b/c I wish any particular goodwill to Little Danny, but b/c I am sick of my team being mediocre.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As for Williams deserving it: He HAD been a good lieutenant. He did a fine job with the resources at hand. More importantly, last year, after a horrible prior year, Williams was willing to come in and, essentially, tear up the prior year's play book, stop forcing a system that wasn't necessarily suited to his players, and adapt so that, rather than his brilliance, the players abilities shined through. In other words, Williams as coach showed some essential growth by adapting to his players rather than having his players adapt (totally) to him. As a result, his coaching improved.

As for Snyder and William not getting along with people, or with each other: IMO, Snyder has NOT shown this ability to subordinate his will. Marty may have gutted the team and lost five, he then turned the team around and made a solid run. Even though Marty was turning things around from camp Norv, Snyder, in your words, "was uncomfortable". Why? B/c Marty was running the show, not Little Danny. Now, again, faced with a coach who had shown the ability to adapt to his talent and who had the backing of his players - Danny essentially is unable to subordinate his will to that of the "football man".

Bottom line - Danny, as Jerry Jones and Al Davis, wants to run the show. It's his property and he's the one who payed millions for it, but, until he has success, he will catch hell.

Part of the problem with his obsession to succeed is that it appears to be a need to succeed his way. "His way" has not been a success, and, because of its lack of success, he has little credibility w/ fans or the national press when continues to pursue it.

B/c I am a fan, I hope he succeeds - not b/c I wish any particular goodwill to Little Danny, but b/c I am sick of my team being mediocre.

Awesome post, good points in the parallel between Marty & GW.

One footnote to add, it's interesting to look back at Spurrier's time here w/regards to personel. All those journeymen gators came here, and I would doubt that was coincidence. Spurrier at least had a lot of input. So, while marty was canned maybe because he had too much control, the danny has shown signs of giving in to the people he hires. Maybe this time around he's really giving Vinny a lot of authority.

I think you're right overall, but we're still learning danny's "way" just as he is.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As for Williams deserving it: He HAD been a good lieutenant. He did a fine job with the resources at hand. More importantly, last year, after a horrible prior year, Williams was willing to come in and, essentially, tear up the prior year's play book, stop forcing a system that wasn't necessarily suited to his players, and adapt so that, rather than his brilliance, the players abilities shined through. In other words, Williams as coach showed some essential growth by adapting to his players rather than having his players adapt (totally) to him. As a result, his coaching improved.

Bottom line - Danny, as Jerry Jones and Al Davis, wants to run the show. It's his property and he's the one who payed millions for it, but, until he has success, he will catch hell.

Part of the problem with his obsession to succeed is that it appears to be a need to succeed his way. "His way" has not been a success, and, because of its lack of success, he has little credibility w/ fans or the national press when continues to pursue it.

Damn fine points. You get a big star for that one.

Your first point is especially important. The adjustment that Williams had to go through after the disaster of 2006 is something that we may not have seen if Lil' Danny had his way. In fact, it sheds light on the mentality of Snyder hiring coordinators before getting a head coach. He wants the ability to fire them if he doesn't like what he sees.

It's something that probably ate away at Snyder during the Gibbs years. You can just tell he was feverishly biting his nails at the chance to drop the ax on both Williams and Saunders when things weren't going right.

So it all makes sense now. Hire the coordinators first, -- new head coach comes in with the understanding that he has no contol over the offensive and defensive staff leaders, -- Lil' Danny gets impatient with the offense or defense, and boom! He can fire them midseason if need be because he hired them and the coach didn't.

Sheer brilliance on the part of Dan Snyder.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

I tend to agree with your points.

Truth is....there wasn't anyone great available for the HC that really outshined GW...so why create the turmoil voluntarily?
The team loved him, the fans were ready to root for him to turn over a new leaf...he had all the motivation to save face for his past record.
Who give a crap on working relationship...this is about success...Wins and Losses.
At least give the guy 2 years....after all.
I though the coaching staff that Snyder put together was ingenious!
1 head coach and 2 head coaches in the waiting once he retires....make the choice between the 2!

He fired them both.....that is the problem

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

it was gibbs who hired saunders,so i would say thats backing him,as for wiliams,yes i would have rather he hired him and see how it worked out
Has snyder got along with anybody besides gibbs?

Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well I guess know thing about Willams that no one else knows. Did williams even want to keep Saunders? Did he want to keep the other coaches on staff? Heck, did he even wnat to keep JC and other players? Those are questions that at this point no one knoows the answers to so to say Snyder passed him but and screwed up the team is just a guess until we have the answers to some of those answers.

JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.

Which is ironic, because how many times did we hear how Gibbs was handcuffing the offense by making Saunders condense the playbook and simplify things. Would we have had "Grandpa Williams" "Game Has Passed Williams By" threads?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Which is ironic, because how many times did we hear how Gibbs was handcuffing the offense by making Saunders condense the playbook and simplify things. Would we have had "Grandpa Williams" "Game Has Passed Williams By" threads?

Smack, I truly admire your courage and loyalty, as a true Redskin fan. However after reading every single post in this thread, it seems obvious you're beating a dead horse. This topic has been hashed, and rehashed so many times it's about as old as dirt. I just wish Sally Jenkins would stay under the covers.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

JLC said Williams would have kept Saunders for the sake of continuity for Campbell but he would have made him condense his playbook and simplify things more.

You made my point. Did JLC quote Williams as saying this or was it one of those rumore thing that have been going around?