Contract Renegotiations have begun

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Campbell17

I think we could do our cap problems a favor and let go jansen, too many injuries.

do you watch the games?? the guy has had two injuries in his career with the redskins. those two injuries happen to be a torn achilies and a broken leg. So, with your logic, if randy thomas gets hurt one more time, then I guess he should go too?? For the life of me I can not understand where Jansen is all of the sudden labled as a "history" of injuries. the guy is a rock on the right side of the line. He has played with some injuries most guys wouldn't even dress for. Broken thumbs, twisted knees, torn calf, come on, you have to pay closer attention to stuff like this.

[redwagonskins]

My question is why are we the only franchise in the league that does this? Consistently, year in and year out, we are over the cap and are able to restructure contracts turning base salaries into bonuses and then writing down the total cap hit. What is the downside? Is it guaranteed money in future years? It seems like the FO has been able to do this for several years yet no other team in the league is either this creative or this stupid. Every year, we are supposedly in salary cap hell but I haven't even felt it get remotely warm around here. So what is the downside?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

My question is why are we the only franchise in the league that does this? Consistently, year in and year out, we are over the cap and are able to restructure contracts turning base salaries into bonuses and then writing down the total cap hit. What is the downside? Is it guaranteed money in future years? It seems like the FO has been able to do this for several years yet no other team in the league is either this creative or this stupid. Every year, we are supposedly in salary cap hell but I haven't even felt it get remotely warm around here. So what is the downside?

we're the only team. downside is releases cost more (Coles, lloyd), and if the NFL revenues ever level out, we're straight up f$%^ed. all your doing is pushing money down the road, and making a worse situation for future years... but the NFL revenue (and labor deals) have been pushing up the cap enough each year that it hasn't bitten us yet.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we're the only team. downside is releases cost more (Coles, lloyd), and if the NFL revenues ever level out, we're straight up f$%^ed. all your doing is pushing money down the road, and making a worse situation for future years... but the NFL revenue (and labor deals) have been pushing up the cap enough each year that it hasn't bitten us yet.

Yep, and you also have to have the cash on hand to dole out $10 million in checks in a single day. Just a small issue (though not for DS). Go buy something from the Redskins store to help him pay for it, do your part as a fan/consumer (I'm tapped out after getting my 75th anniversary Campbell Authentic, someone else has got to go help)!

[redwagonskins]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Yep, and you also have to have the cash on hand to dole out $10 million in checks in a single day. Just a small issue (though not for DS). Go buy something from the Redskins store to help him pay for it, do your part as a fan/consumer (I'm tapped out after getting my 75th anniversary Campbell Authentic, someone else has got to go help)!

So you're the problem! J/K (see the "Do Sports Athletes Get Paid 2 Much" thread)

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

do you watch the games?? the guy has had two injuries in his career with the redskins. those two injuries happen to be a torn achilies and a broken leg. So, with your logic, if randy thomas gets hurt one more time, then I guess he should go too?? For the life of me I can not understand where Jansen is all of the sudden labled as a "history" of injuries. the guy is a rock on the right side of the line. He has played with some injuries most guys wouldn't even dress for. Broken thumbs, twisted knees, torn calf, come on, you have to pay closer attention to stuff like this.

Plus cutting Jansen does not make sense from a CAP perspective. I believe Schneed pointed it in other posts correctly in that dealing with the cap will probably mean cutting one guy here or redoing a contract for another guy there every year - a complete gutting of the team is impossible from a cap perspective and would hurt the product on the field.

Now I think most everyone would agree that if anyone is getting cut this season with a expensive contract it is Brandon Llyod and not Jon Jansen.

Here is a breakdown of Llyod vs. Jansen

Llyod - 2 years on team, 25 catches for a whopping total of 379 yards, 0 (yes a big donut there) touchdowns. In his 5 year career he has 130 catches averaging 26 catches a year and 13 touchdowns averaging 2.6 a year. In addition his off field behavior is nothing to write home about.

Jansen - has been with Skins his entire career and started 112 games for the team over 8 years (averaging 14 games a year). He is a locker room leader and well liked by his teammates. He had 2 of his 8 seasons cut short by injury which as an offensive lineman that constantly gets tangled up is not bad in my opinion.

Now I know that it is impossible to compare an offensive lineman to a reciever, but if I am Vinny Cerrato and had to choose between the two I think it is not even close especially with our current depth on the O-Line as thin as it is.

[Campbell17]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

do you watch the games?? the guy has had two injuries in his career with the redskins. those two injuries happen to be a torn achilies and a broken leg. So, with your logic, if randy thomas gets hurt one more time, then I guess he should go too?? For the life of me I can not understand where Jansen is all of the sudden labled as a "history" of injuries. the guy is a rock on the right side of the line. He has played with some injuries most guys wouldn't even dress for. Broken thumbs, twisted knees, torn calf, come on, you have to pay closer attention to stuff like this.

It's not as much how many injuries he has had. It is more about how many injuries he has had over the last 4 seasons, he only could play after the first game in 2 of them. In our first year with gibbs back, he tore his achillies on one of the first plays of the game and we proceeded to go a resounding 6-10. Without Thomas or Jansen, we won 4 straight games including a sunday night massacre of the superbowl champioins.