Lets overpay for Jared Allen

[wolfeskins]

the skins are talking as if they would like to get an interior lineman, that's good at rushing the qb, instead of a end.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the skins are talking as if they would like to get an interior lineman, that's good at rushing the qb, instead of a end.

Yeah, I've got mixed feeling about that. I hear what they're saying about Marcus Washington and Chris Wilson together being effective pass rushers. But why not just get one guy who can do that? And I thought they were pretty content with Montgomery and Golston's progress.

Of course, if they get a DE I don't think he should be a pass-rushing specialist like Wilson. He needs to be able to play the run effectively as well.

[T.O.Killa]

Jared Allen makes our line among the best in the nfl. With that said, there is no chance we get him, the chiefs have already let the world know that he will absolutely be franchised. If he was not, he would get 12 to 15 million a year.

[DiehardSkin88]

If we're gona break the bank for an interior lineman then why not go after Corey Williams from Green Bay.. He hasn't been franchise tagged and he had i think 8 sacks this year? Which is sick for being a DT. Imagine our DT rotation with corey williams lined up wit montgomery and cornelious coming in on passing situations

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I've got mixed feeling about that. I hear what they're saying about Marcus Washington and Chris Wilson together being effective pass rushers. But why not just get one guy who can do that? And I thought they were pretty content with Montgomery and Golston's progress.

Of course, if they get a DE I don't think he should be a pass-rushing specialist like Wilson. He needs to be able to play the run effectively as well.

I think they're very content with Montgomery's progress, but Golston already is all that he'll ever be in the NFL. He's a very hard worker, but in the end isn't big enough, strong enough, or quick enough to be a front-line starter in the NFL. He's a good 3rd DT, good in a rotation. But if he were a full time starter I wouldn't feel great about the interior line.

Montgomery has the size and quickness to be force. But with Griffin getting older, I can see the logic for wanting a young DT.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think they're very content with Montgomery's progress, but Golston already is all that he'll ever be in the NFL. He's a very hard worker, but in the end isn't big enough, strong enough, or quick enough to be a front-line starter in the NFL. He's a good 3rd DT, good in a rotation. But if he were a full time starter I wouldn't feel great about the interior line.

Montgomery has the size and quickness to be force. But with Griffin getting older, I can see the logic for wanting a young DT.

You may or may not be right about Golston, but he is 6-4 320 pounds. Thats ideal, for a tackle. He also ran one of the fastest 40yd dashes at the combine, for a DT.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think they're very content with Montgomery's progress, but Golston already is all that he'll ever be in the NFL. He's a very hard worker, but in the end isn't big enough, strong enough, or quick enough to be a front-line starter in the NFL. He's a good 3rd DT, good in a rotation. But if he were a full time starter I wouldn't feel great about the interior line.

Montgomery has the size and quickness to be force. But with Griffin getting older, I can see the logic for wanting a young DT.

I wouldn't say Golston is as good now as he's ever going to be...he's 25. He will likely develop into a starting caliber player...for someone else. There's not going to be enough cash on hand after the 2009 campaign to give to Golston an extention, and he will probably go and sign for a team who has a need at the position.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think they're very content with Montgomery's progress, but Golston already is all that he'll ever be in the NFL. He's a very hard worker, but in the end isn't big enough, strong enough, or quick enough to be a front-line starter in the NFL. He's a good 3rd DT, good in a rotation. But if he were a full time starter I wouldn't feel great about the interior line.

Montgomery has the size and quickness to be force. But with Griffin getting older, I can see the logic for wanting a young DT.

Vinny did mention the need for an interior lineman with some rush ability, the type that's very difficult to find. It does apear to be more of a priority than DE. He eluded to the 20.5 sacks from the DE position last year, maybe he feels that is sufficient production from the DE position.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I've got mixed feeling about that. I hear what they're saying about Marcus Washington and Chris Wilson together being effective pass rushers. But why not just get one guy who can do that? And I thought they were pretty content with Montgomery and Golston's progress.

Of course, if they get a DE I don't think he should be a pass-rushing specialist like Wilson. He needs to be able to play the run effectively as well.

It wouldn't be Montgomery or Golston getting replaced (at least full time). We're putting Griffin in a real tough situation by asking him to be a full time player at age 31. So far, the solution to this issue has involved NOT cutting Daniels for cap relief, and using him as a DE/DT hybrid. Short-term fix, but getting another young DT in there for the rotation, who could be expected to start by 2009 would be ideal.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I've got mixed feeling about that. I hear what they're saying about Marcus Washington and Chris Wilson together being effective pass rushers. But why not just get one guy who can do that? And I thought they were pretty content with Montgomery and Golston's progress.

Of course, if they get a DE I don't think he should be a pass-rushing specialist like Wilson. He needs to be able to play the run effectively as well.

If Calais Campbell or Phillip Merling fall to us IMO we need to take one of them. I think the production of Washington and Wilson had a lot to do with scheme rather than straight up physically beating the OL. I'm with you, there is no substitute for a DE that can physically dominate his man in both the pass & run game. (The Giants looked pretty good doing it, and Mario Williams is making Casserly look like a genius for passing on Bush). I think Cerrato may also be throwing out a little smoke-screen prior to the combine and draft.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Calais Campbell or Phillip Merling fall to us IMO we need to take one of them. I think the production of Washington and Wilson had a lot to do with scheme rather than straight up physically beating the OL. I'm with you, there is no substitute for a DE that can physically dominate his man in both the pass & run game. (The Giants looked pretty good doing it, and Mario Williams is making Casserly look like a genius for passing on Bush). I think Cerrato may also be throwing out a little smoke-screen prior to the combine and draft.

From what I've read, Casserly can get neither the credit for taking Williams, nor the blame for passing on Bush because it was Bud Adams who wasn't willing to put up the big time money Bush was going to get as the #1 pick. So Casserly was only following the owners' orders.

Funny how quickly Reggie Bush fell completely out of the limelight. In New Orleans, they're all but certain he'll never be the prime RB -- McAllister is still the go-to guy.

[Beemnseven]

One more thing about DEs -- just got finished checking the stats for our boy Chris Clemons from a few years back. He had 8 sacks for the Raiders in '07 as a linebacker.

Wonder what his contract situation is? Was it a one year thing? He was one I never thought we should have let get away.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

One more thing about DEs -- just got finished checking the stats for our boy Chris Clemons from a few years back. He had 8 sacks for the Raiders in '07 as a linebacker.

Wonder what his contract situation is? Was it a one year thing? He was one I never thought we should have let get away.

He is a UFA. Doubt he would want to come back though.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He is a UFA. Doubt he would want to come back though.

the guy that let him go is in jacksonville. i doubt he cares either way, though his job stability is probably better (in the short term) in oakland... that is, until kiffin gets axed.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

One more thing about DEs -- just got finished checking the stats for our boy Chris Clemons from a few years back. He had 8 sacks for the Raiders in '07 as a linebacker.

Wonder what his contract situation is? Was it a one year thing? He was one I never thought we should have let get away.

Raiders entire D was on the field way too long. Wouldn't get too upset about his production for the Raiders. He was solid but some get away.