Which Current NFL Receiver Is Best for Us?

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

If Roy Williams gets cut I say get Redskins One in the air and go and get him to interview. Hes everything I want in a receiver and a person, hes not going to be cheap but no receiver we sign is going to be cheap. If I interviewed with the Redskins this would be my line, 'I dont care if I start, am 2nd, 3rd, or 4th string, but unless im 5th string i want more money than Brandon Llyod'

I f we sign Roy Williams, we need to ask RAndle El to restructure or we will have to cut him. If we don't we would have 3 WR with contracts over $30mil total. That can't happen.

Maybe we can trade ARE to free up space for Roy Williams and get a draft pick in the process. I think we can at least get a 4th for him, especially with a premiuim on return men now.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

I f we sign Roy Williams, we need to ask RAndle El to restructure or we will have to cut him. If we don't we would have 3 WR with contracts over $30mil total. That can't happen.

Maybe we can trade ARE to free up space for Roy Williams and get a draft pick in the process. I think we can at least get a 4th for him, especially with a premiuim on return men now.

I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a HUGE fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a HUGE fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.

See the 2nd link I posted a few posts back. If that reporter is right (or if Millen is being honest publicly) then Detroit will at least ask for our #1 if not more.

I admit that packaging ARE & a pick, say 3rd round at highest, is intriguing, but I think ARE deserves to stay & maintain chemistry. He's gotten better here each year & the one thing he is is consistent. Plus, he & JC always seemed to have good chemistry.

If that article holds true, I don't see RW in b&g. Sadly, Dallas w/its two #1 picks, might be able to put together a deal. They've probably got a # of players they could trade, and RW is from Texas.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

See the 2nd link I posted a few posts back. If that reporter is right (or if Millen is being honest publicly) then Detroit will at least ask for our #1 if not more.

Problem is, I think Millen is a bafoon. We could ask for a 1st round pick from Miami for Betts, doesn't mean we'll get it. Millen needs to save face with some of the dumb decisions he's made over the years, so I do think he'll come more discounted than Millen thinks, or he stays in Detroit. The link to a trade rumor of Reggie Brown and a 4th for Roy Williams...well that's cheap if you ask me.

I admit that packaging ARE & a pick, say 3rd round at highest, is intriguing, but I think ARE deserves to stay & maintain chemistry. He's gotten better here each year & the one thing he is is consistent. Plus, he & JC always seemed to have good chemistry.

Well, that is a bit misleading to say since he's only been here two year...so yeah, he got better in his second season. Randle El had more receptions and yards than last year, but he had fewer TD's (3 in 06, 1 in 07) and had a career low in punt return yards and average. We brought him in and paid him like we did to sure up our PR game, and he did fine in 06, but terrible in 07.

If that article holds true, I don't see RW in b&g. Sadly, Dallas w/its two #1 picks, might be able to put together a deal. They've probably got a # of players they could trade, and RW is from Texas.

I think you're right there...we definitely need to act before Dallas does. TO, and Roy Williams would be torture for us to cover 2 times a year.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I like Randle El...he's a good guy, has a positive personality, and is a decent WR. Problem is, decent wr's are not worth the money he's getting paid. He's extremely overpaid and I doubt we will ever see him do better than what he did last year. (career high 51 catches, 728 yards...btw- career low in PR avg at 6.1)

That being said, Roy Williams is without a doubt the best of the crew left in this poll. Roy Williams is 6'4" and I don't think I need to emphasize the importance of that. Plus he's only 26!!!! Having the injury issues that he had last year, he will likely come at a discounted rate. Sure he'll still be expensive, but not chad johnson expensive, and not the chad johnson head case either that I beleive to be a locker room cancer.
My ultimate scenario would be to get rid of the Randle El contract, pick up Williams, and let Mix have a shot at being our #3. I LOVE Santana, but he has shown that being a #1 is too much for him. To have him as a #2 is a perfect scenario.

I like the size and ability of Javon Walker, but not his injury issues either...but I would go for him 2nd. He's 6'3" 220lbs, and at that size, he'd be welcomed with open arms here. He has proven to be a big time WR, and the fact that he only played 8 games for Denver last year due to different ailments means his price will be low (as it was after he blew his knee out in GB back in 05).

I'm not a HUGE fan of Hackett, just a mild one. He has moderate size at 6'2", but his 199lbs is far from big. He has been in the league 3 years and has been injured for all of them, what's worse is that he played only 6 games last year. I do like the fact that he's a Zorn guy, and I would not be opposed to bringing him in at the right price, but as our #1 guy, or anyone's #1 guy for that matter, I am not sure he's capable.

Chad Johnson is a GREAT WR. No doubt about it, but (if we're not talking money) his biggest downfall is the fact that he loves himself and nothing else. He doesn't love football, he loves the money that football gives him. Chad is all about chad, and I don't want that presence in the Skins locker room. I can already see him getting upset at Campbell for not throwing the ball to him enough, or overthrowing him. Oh, and he's only 6'1" 192lbs...no thanks.

Bryant Johnson...well, he's hard to gauge. He has decent height at 6'2", and good weight at 214lbs. I have never seen him take over a game, or play at a high level. Maybe this is because he's always been behind better wr's. He's never had more than 7 catches in a game, and never had more than 87 yards in a game and he's played for 5 years (77 games). I feel he'd be another ho-hum wr for us and we have plenty of those, we need a game changer.

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I like a lot of what you said here, but theres on thing i have a big disagreement with. most of your points relate to teh height and size of the receiver, which i agree we need a big guy, but you say no thanks to CJ cause its only 6'1' and 192. But Cinco Ocho is by far the most productive receiver in that list, he has issues (money, attitude) but Ive neve rheard anyone say they didnt want him cause hes too small. 6'1" is even pretty big for the skins...

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

[SFREDSKIN]

They are currently on our roster, Espy and Anthony Mix. I would give this 2 guys a chance to compete, plus they are inexpensive. I seriously think that both can crack the roster and be very productive.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by jsarno

The no thanks comment was for all of it, not just his size.
That being said, I do not think we need another average size WR, we already have 2 below average wr's. We need a BIG guy, and Chad is not that guy. My #1 reason for not wanting him is his attitude. #2 money. #3 attitude. #4 size. (You could substitute #4 with attitude and slide size to #5...size is the least of my worries with him)

yea I hear what you are saying, theres more to chad that his size, but I dont think 6-3 is more important that 6-2 alone, an inch is easy to make up with jumping (vertical), and do they attack the ball, let the ball come to them, etc. Larry Fitz is my favorite receiver because he catches anythign adn fights for teh ball and twist and bends in weird ways to make the catch. Chad Johnson bring a lot to the table too when it comes to being a receiver, he makes some great catches. if a guy drops the ball who cares how tall he is ya know, or if he cant get to it. Lots of the big guys are slow.

but you said no thanks becuase of the receiver stuff, and teh money, attitude, etc. so the whoel package isnt what you are looking for.

since im a hurricane, so i like players with an attitude and swagger, i think being cocky makes them play harder. only because I watched guys like kellen winslow and shockey, who are clearly asses on the field and off, dominiate people with their play. theres lots of examples of classy guys succeeding too, i just didtn get to see that at the U, lol

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

yea I hear what you are saying, theres more to chad that his size, but I dont think 6-3 is more important that 6-2 alone, an inch is easy to make up with jumping (vertical), and do they attack the ball, let the ball come to them, etc. Larry Fitz is my favorite receiver because he catches anythign adn fights for teh ball and twist and bends in weird ways to make the catch. Chad Johnson bring a lot to the table too when it comes to being a receiver, he makes some great catches. if a guy drops the ball who cares how tall he is ya know, or if he cant get to it. Lots of the big guys are slow.

but you said no thanks becuase of the receiver stuff, and teh money, attitude, etc. so the whoel package isnt what you are looking for.

since im a hurricane, so i like players with an attitude and swagger, i think being cocky makes them play harder. only because I watched guys like kellen winslow and shockey, who are clearly asses on the field and off, dominiate people with their play. theres lots of examples of classy guys succeeding too, i just didtn get to see that at the U, lol

I understand what you're saying, and fact is, Chad Johnson is a top 5 WR in this league...maybe higher. But I'd prefer a guy like Roy Williams who is 3 inches taller and a little more athletic IMO. I don't know the vertical's for each, but I doubt Williams would be outjumped.
Let it be known, that if we do get Chad Johnson, I will jump on board, and I will likely get his jersey, but I'd be very leery of his attitude. I said I wanted a game changer, and Chad is that.
I do feel Chad will be more expensive than Williams too.

ps- I'd take Larry Fitzgerald over Johnson as well.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

I f we sign Roy Williams, we need to ask RAndle El to restructure or we will have to cut him. If we don't we would have 3 WR with contracts over $30mil total. That can't happen.

Maybe we can trade ARE to free up space for Roy Williams and get a draft pick in the process. I think we can at least get a 4th for him, especially with a premiuim on return men now.

ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books is only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I've also seen several mentions of ARE not being worth his contract. If you look at the overall contract number, yes he is significantly underproducing. But if you look at the guaranteed money portion, it's not so bad. His cap number doesn't get bad until 2009 & beyond.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

ARE cannot be traded or released this off-season without incurring an $ 8.8M cap hit. Taking his salary off the books in only $ 2.7M, so we have a "dead-cap" number of $6.1M and we need to replace him. Not gonna happen.

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WOW...where do you find that kind of info? I didn't think it would hurt us that much to trade him, just release him.

All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

All the cap info is in the drop-down under Team at the top of the site. Any guaranteed money needs to count against the cap for either a trade or release. Otherwise you could have teams playing major games in trades to circumvent the salary cap.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know it was there.
How did you come up with that figure on ARE then? Did you add this year's cap hit with next?
Also, how did you know what his cap hit would be if we straight cut him?

What would Lloyd's hit be if we cut / trade him?

(not understanding how you're getting those figures.)

Look under the release fees tab, it will tell you how much a players' cap hit would be if released or traded

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm