In The News: McCain, Hillary, Obama Oh My!

[4mrusmc]

What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

What politician isn't beholden to special interests? My opinion of those are based on what those special interests are.
Clinton and Obama will say anything to get people to vote for them. And that "anything" is usually in the form of some kind of entitlement that will be paid for by us taxpayers. Both of them say that they will pull our troops out of Iraq before that country is able to stand on it's two feet. And while that may get some rave reviews by some people who do not care about what our troops sacrificed for. That to me is moronic. I love peace like the next guy, but this war on terror is one we did not start. I know it's cliche' to say but, for those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism and communism war has never solved anything.

I agree with a war on terror, but that isn't the war that's being fought in Iraq. I have several family members in Iraq as we speak. I also have several friends there, and all of them I've spoken to feel the same way about the war we're fighting. It's senseless.

I actually do believe that violence can be a resolution, but a last resort. I wish it weren't so, but as you said it can be. George Bush addressing the UN telling them "you're either with us or with the terrorists" made my stomach churn. It wasn't true and frankly we've had a moron running this country for eight years, who took over for another moron. It really speaks to the state of the citizenship that we elected this guy twice. It shouldn't have been close enough to steal.

Partisan politics were based on the theory that through argument you should get the best ideas implemented. Its time to get a new point of view in the white house. I think the smartest guy, and the most honorable guy is obama. I didn't really want it to be, because I wanted a Republican to be that guy. They really need a face lift, though.

Our country is great, but we are undeniably moving in the wrong direction. If we continue on this path we will not be a great country very long. Our military is spread too thin. It started when Clinton cut so many military jobs and they started outsourcing so much of their construction and maintenance operations to contractors. That, coupled with the war in Iraq that still wages with no plan, has weakened our military and cost us trillions of dollars, and thousands of lives.

Our economy has had band-aid solutions put on for so long they're bled through. This country was the most profitable when we were more self reliant. During the industrial age, we manufactured our goods here, at home. The middle class flourished and more and more people were able to live above the poverty line in our country. Appeasing large corporations to cut costs has cost America deeply. Tax breaks for businesses outsourcing jobs? Who the hell does that help? Eventually there will be no one left to use any of the products these companies offer, and they will die off too. We need someone with the balls to stand up and put a stop to the destruction of the middle class in the US. To ensure that the people who are fortunate enough to have jobs in this country, don't send their wages to be spent in countries with floundering economies. We need a candidate who is truly inspired to make a difference, and not just sit up and blow smoke up our asses, and play all of the political BS games that these guys play.

To me, obama is the only candidate I've seen in years that gives me hope that a guy may just be sincere. He may be smart enough and determined enough to actually change this country for the better. FDR type of change. He may not, but he's the only one I see with even that type potential.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Our economy has had band-aid solutions put on for so long they're bled through. This country was the most profitable when we were more self reliant. During the industrial age, we manufactured our goods here, at home. The middle class flourished and more and more people were able to live above the poverty line in our country. Appeasing large corporations to cut costs has cost America deeply. Tax breaks for businesses outsourcing jobs? Who the hell does that help? Eventually there will be no one left to use any of the products these companies offer, and they will die off too. We need someone with the balls to stand up and put a stop to the destruction of the middle class in the US. To ensure that the people who are fortunate enough to have jobs in this country, don't send their wages to be spent in countries with floundering economies. We need a candidate who is truly inspired to make a difference, and not just sit up and blow smoke up our asses, and play all of the political BS games that these guys play.

The "middle class" was NOT prospering at the dawn of the industrial age, at its apex, or during its early decline. You think our health care situation is bad now? They didn't know what health care was and died during their 40s. They couldn't eat anywhere near as well as we do today. Poor workers were treated FAR worse than any worker in today's America.

Also, corporate tax cuts aren't a bad thing. Those corporations employ the middle class. Guess what corporate directors and officers do when faced with tax hikes? They order cut jobs to increase profitability and heap additional demands on those workers they decide to keep. Go ahead, tax the hell out of corporations and see what happens to middle class.

The notion that we would prosper if we erected mile high walls around our borders and become "self reliant" is not grounded in any real sense of reality. A large reason why food is so damn cheap, we can get all sorts of fruits during winter months, and various other goods and services are so cheap is because we have reached out to other countries.

I know people like Lou Dobbs are gaining popularity by saying things like, "this war on the middle class," "evil corporations are killing the average worker," and we are "exporting America." Those simple slogans are nice, capitalize on people's emotions, and get nice ratings, but they lack any real substance.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The "middle class" was NOT prospering at the dawn of the industrial age, at its apex, or during its early decline. You think our health care situation is bad now? They didn't know what health care was and died during their 40s. They couldn't eat anywhere near as well as we do today. Poor workers were treated FAR worse than any worker in today's America.

Also, corporate tax cuts aren't a bad thing. Those corporations employ the middle class. Guess what corporate directors and officers do when faced with tax hikes? They order cut jobs to increase profitability and heap additional demands on those workers they decide to keep. Go ahead, tax the hell out of corporations and see what happens to middle class.

The notion that we would prosper if we erected mile high walls around our borders and become "self reliant" is not grounded in any real sense of reality. A large reason why food is so damn cheap, we can get all sorts of fruits during winter months, and various other goods and services are so cheap is because we have reached out to other countries.

I know people like Lou Dobbs are gaining popularity by saying things like, "this war on the middle class," "evil corporations are killing the average worker," and we are "exporting America." Those simple slogans are nice, capitalize on people's emotions, and get nice ratings, but they lack any real substance.

I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?

You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.

I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?

I certainly wasn't angry with the points you were making, I just disagreed with some of them. I think you raised some valid points; I just took note of those that I disagreed with. No offense intended.