The Official draft Marcus Monk thread.

[jsarno]

We keep talking about Mix, but he didn't even do anything for the Giants, nor did he make the field for us when we had all sorts of WR issues.
I love Mix too, but we could easily use a guy like Monk especially considering we are likely losing Caldwell and McCardell. I think this kid is something special, and we could have him for pretty cheap.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

We keep talking about Mix, but he didn't even do anything for the Giants, nor did he make the field for us when we had all sorts of WR issues.
I love Mix too, but we could easily use a guy like Monk especially considering we are likely losing Caldwell and McCardell. I think this kid is something special, and we could have him for pretty cheap.

Mix didn't do anything for the Giants because he's an X-receiver and was behind Plax. The Giants were prepared to start Mix the week of 9/23 or 9/30 if Plax couldn't go, so I would say they had confidence in him.
NFL DRAFT BIBLE: Sep 23, 2007

He probably wasn't on the field for us because Saunders didn't have confidence he would be able to pick up the 700 page playbook in mid-season. I thought he should've had a shot inside the 10 for a fade or two, I wanted to see if he'd make a play, but that never happened. The TB game comes to mind when JC is throwing a fade to a 5' 10" Moss and 6' 5" Mix is on the bench, made no sense to me.

The two videos on Monk don't really show me anything. In the one from Dirtbag359 he totally mis-times his jump, never actually jumps, and the ball happens to fall into his hands. In yours he has no separation, the DB is turned around and falls down (Gotta love those SC DBs). He appears to have decent enough hands to make those catches, but nothing in those videos screams "We need to get this guy!" Monk may not be drafted, if not bring him in and take a look. I just don't think we need to draft a WR unless we get outstanding value. We have too many other issues to address.

I don't think Mix is the next TO, his college performance doesn't indicate that. But he's already on the roster, is a big, fast, physical receiver, and could develop into a solid "X". Worst case he should be a threat on the outside in the Red Zone.

At WR we currently have: Moss, ARE, Caldwell (if we let him get away it's for a reason), Mix, Espy, Harris, Mann, McMullen, McCardell (probably will not be here), Toler, and Thrash. For the sake of argument let's say the Skins sign Hackett. Our top three would be Moss, ARE, Hackett. We will probably only carry 5 WRs on the active roster so realistically Mix, Espy, McMullen, Thrash and Caldwell are competing for two active roster spots. Where would Monk fit? Who would you cut to make room? I definitely don't cut Caldwell, Mix or Espy.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Mix didn't do anything for the Giants because he's an X-receiver and was behind Plax. The Giants were prepared to start Mix the week of 9/23 or 9/30 if Plax couldn't go, so I would say they had confidence in him.
NFL DRAFT BIBLE: Sep 23, 2007

He probably wasn't on the field for us because Saunders didn't have confidence he would be able to pick up the 700 page playbook in mid-season. I thought he should've had a shot inside the 10 for a fade or two, I wanted to see if he'd make a play, but that never happened. The TB game comes to mind when JC is throwing a fade to a 5' 10" Moss and 6' 5" Mix is on the bench, made no sense to me.

The two videos on Monk don't really show me anything. In the one from Dirtbag359 he totally mis-times his jump, never actually jumps, and the ball happens to fall into his hands. In yours he has no separation, the DB is turned around and falls down (Gotta love those SC DBs). He appears to have decent enough hands to make those catches, but nothing in those videos screams "We need to get this guy!" Monk may not be drafted, if not bring him in and take a look. I just don't think we need to draft a WR unless we get outstanding value. We have too many other issues to address.

I don't think Mix is the next TO, his college performance doesn't indicate that. But he's already on the roster, is a big, fast, physical receiver, and could develop into a solid "X". Worst case he should be a threat on the outside in the Red Zone.

At WR we currently have: Moss, ARE, Caldwell (if we let him get away it's for a reason), Mix, Espy, Harris, Mann, McMullen, McCardell (probably will not be here), Toler, and Thrash. For the sake of argument let's say the Skins sign Hackett. Our top three would be Moss, ARE, Hackett. We will probably only carry 5 WRs on the active roster so realistically Mix, Espy, McMullen, Thrash and Caldwell are competing for two active roster spots. Where would Monk fit? Who would you cut to make room? I definitely don't cut Caldwell, Mix or Espy.

You make valid points, however:
Until we sign Caldwell and McCardell (both FA's) I am not counting them on this team. So at the moment, we have Moss, ARE and then no one with experience other than the noticably spent Thrash (who could be kept solely for special teams). I want to keep Mix and work him, but it doesn't appear the Skins are high on him. Please don't act as if the Giants were high on him either. Plax was an injury issue all season, and they RELEASED Mix to sign Domenik Dixon! That doesn't sound like a team that is "confident" in a player. You speak of the 700 page playbook, yet McCardell came in his first week and started being an impact. So they could have played Mix if they wanted to, yet chose not to. We as fans think too highly of the bench players on our team and always think they will be something special. Well, in certain cases, sure I understand, but it's like this with all our guys. I really want Mix to be involved in the passing game this year, he has the size and the chemistry to work out, but I'm not a Redskins coach. Espy has a long way to go before he makes any impact for anyone, if he does at all.
I've heard people say we have pressing needs at other positions, and we certainly do...I agree. However, getting a big WR with good hands and something to prove in the 5th round is hardly ignoring other positions of need. Being able to get a guy in a position of need in the later rounds is a good idea, and wr is not a "pressing need" but it certainly is a need with the band of misfits we currently have.
Now, if before the draft comes, we sign Hackett / Caldwell and McCardell (like you seem to be suggesting) then we certainly won't look to bring in another WR. But if we do that, do you really think Mix will find the field very often?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

....I want to keep Mix and work him, but it doesn't appear the Skins are high on him. Please don't act as if the Giants were high on him either. Plax was an injury issue all season, and they RELEASED Mix to sign Domenik Dixon! That doesn't sound like a team that is "confident" in a player. You speak of the 700 page playbook, yet McCardell came in his first week and started being an impact. So they could have played Mix if they wanted to, yet chose not to. We as fans think too highly of the bench players on our team and always think they will be something special. Well, in certain cases, sure I understand, but it's like this with all our guys.....I've heard people say we have pressing needs at other positions, and we certainly do...I agree. However, getting a big WR with good hands and something to prove in the 5th round is hardly ignoring other positions of need. Being able to get a guy in a position of need in the later rounds is a good idea, and wr is not a "pressing need" but it certainly is a need with the band of misfits we currently have.
Now, if before the draft comes, we sign Hackett / Caldwell and McCardell (like you seem to be suggesting) then we certainly won't look to bring in another WR. But if we do that, do you really think Mix will find the field very often?

Mix was not released, he was waived and on the Giants practice squad and the Skins claimed him. He was waived by the Giants for Domenik Hixon, who is primarily a return specialist. Hixon needed a change of scenery after being involved in the Kevin Everett hit and was productive as a returner for the Giants this year. So it's not like Mix was dumped for someone better at his position. As I said earlier, Mix is limited in that he only plays X (from what I read). Not sure who the Skins had playing X in their offense. If Mix couldn't move around to the slot, or the Z, obviously McCardell (a 15yr. + veteran) would be able to come in and be more effective picking up the playbook and being able to move around to different positions in the offense.

I don't think Mix is necessarily special, but he could fill a need as a Red Zone threat immediately and possibly develop into a solid X receiver. At any rate, my point is that Mix is far ahead of Monk right now and unless Monk can be brought in as a FA we shouldn't waste a draft pick on him. If we don't sign Hackett or B. Johnson, and Caldwell bolts then we have a more pressing need at WR and we will probably look to add one in the 3rd round.

I believe we will sign Hackett, Caldwell will re-up and we'll be fine at WR. The 5-7 round picks need to be used to provide depth on the OL, DL & LB with the best players available, with OL taking priority. We have 30 somethings across the OL and if you can't keep the QB upright it doesn't matter how good your WRs are.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Mix was not released, he was waived and on the Giants practice squad and the Skins claimed him. He was waived by the Giants for Domenik Hixon, who is primarily a return specialist. Hixon needed a change of scenery after being involved in the Kevin Everett hit and was productive as a returner for the Giants this year. So it's not like Mix was dumped for someone better at his position. As I said earlier, Mix is limited in that he only plays X (from what I read). Not sure who the Skins had playing X in their offense. If Mix couldn't move around to the slot, or the Z, obviously McCardell (a 15yr. + veteran) would be able to come in and be more effective picking up the playbook and being able to move around to different positions in the offense.

I don't think Mix is necessarily special, but he could fill a need as a Red Zone threat immediately and possibly develop into a solid X receiver. At any rate, my point is that Mix is far ahead of Monk right now and unless Monk can be brought in as a FA we shouldn't waste a draft pick on him. If we don't sign Hackett or B. Johnson, and Caldwell bolts then we have a more pressing need at WR and we will probably look to add one in the 3rd round.

I believe we will sign Hackett, Caldwell will re-up and we'll be fine at WR. The 5-7 round picks need to be used to provide depth on the OL, DL & LB with the best players available, with OL taking priority. We have 30 somethings across the OL and if you can't keep the QB upright it doesn't matter how good your WRs are.

We're really not far off on our thoughts other than I don't think using a 5th rounder for this kid is wasting a pick.

Regardless if he was waived or released, you don't do that to someone when the WR ahead of him didn't even practice all season. It was painfully obvious they had no real plans for him.