The Official draft Marcus Monk thread.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't think the reps matter for WR's when they first come out. I recall Randy Moss being an absolute twig. It's not uncommon for WR's to come out of college kind of weak. How many DB's are they going to face that can put up 225lbs more than 9 times?
With the exception of a few wr's, they are all projects.
I think you underestimate him.

DGreene is absolutely right. 9 reps is a poor number for any NFL prospect. Every DB with bench numbers listed in the combine did 10 reps or more. Monk's 9 reps was the worst among all WRs at the combine. You expect a guy at 220+ lbs. to put up a good 225 rep #. Especially if the guy is only average speed at best.

2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Receivers

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[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

DGreene is absolutely right. 9 reps is a poor number for any NFL prospect. Every DB with bench numbers listed in the combine did 10 reps or more. Monk's 9 reps was the worst among all WRs at the combine. You expect a guy at 220+ lbs. to put up a good 225 rep #. Especially if the guy is only average speed at best.

2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Receivers

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Two different types of WR . Randy Moss was a freakish athlete who if a DB tried to jam they would get the ole . Monk won't be able to do that, he'll have to use his body to shield defenders which at this point he is clearly way to weak to even sit at the table.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

DGreene is absolutely right. 9 reps is a poor number for any NFL prospect. Every DB with bench numbers listed in the combine did 10 reps or more. Monk's 9 reps was the worst among all WRs at the combine. You expect a guy at 220+ lbs. to put up a good 225 rep #. Especially if the guy is only average speed at best.

2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Receivers

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I say that the only guys that get a pass on bench press are the tall guys with the huge wingspan. Hardy is around 6'7 so his wingspan is probably 6'7. Kevin Durant is the ultimate poster boy for this. With a 7'1 wingspan he couldn't even bench 185 pounds.

Calias Campbell might get a pass as well because he's 6'7 like Hardy.

It's a well known fact that being barrell chested gives you a huge advantage in the bench press.

Monk is 6'6 so that gives him a huge disadvantage going into the bench press.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I say that the only guys that get a pass on bench press are the tall guys with the huge wingspan. Hardy is around 6'7 so his wingspan is probably 6'7. Kevin Durant is the ultimate poster boy for this. With a 7'1 wingspan he couldn't even bench 185 pounds.

Calias Campbell might get a pass as well because he's 6'7 like Hardy.

It's a well known fact that being barrell chested gives you a huge advantage in the bench press.

How tall is Monk?

Campbell is 6'7 1/2" his arm is 35.75" and he threw up 16 reps. He's also plummeting down draft boards

Monk is 6'4" with a 33.25 arm with 9 reps
not on draft boards

Hardy is 6'5 1/3" 35.5 arm with 18 reps
May be a top 15 pick before it's all said and done

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I say that the only guys that get a pass on bench press are the tall guys with the huge wingspan. Hardy is around 6'7 so his wingspan is probably 6'7. Kevin Durant is the ultimate poster boy for this. With a 7'1 wingspan he couldn't even bench 185 pounds.

Calias Campbell might get a pass as well because he's 6'7 like Hardy.

It's a well known fact that being barrell chested gives you a huge advantage in the bench press.

Monk is 6'6 so that gives him a huge disadvantage going into the bench press.

No pass on height or wing-span. Height is not a huge disadvantage in bench press when you are comparing among WRs & DBs with similar body types. Not too many barrell chested NFL WRs & DBs out there. If you are comparing RBs / LBs / Lineman to WRs/DBs then fine.

Obviously a guy at 6' 210 will probably knock out 2-3 more reps than a guy at 6' 3" 210 if they are both similarly jacked-up. But Monk's 9 reps is the worst of the WRs. Hardy did 18, Bowman did 14, Hubbard did 15, Sam did 23, Smith did 20 and Urruita did 16. Monk is just flat out weak.

C. Campbell fell off my radar when he put up only 16 reps and looked very soft in the upper body. He's not a case of "wing-span" he's a case of weak. He will get man-handled by NFL O-Lineman, and so will Monk by NFL DBs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

DGreene is absolutely right. 9 reps is a poor number for any NFL prospect. Every DB with bench numbers listed in the combine did 10 reps or more. Monk's 9 reps was the worst among all WRs at the combine. You expect a guy at 220+ lbs. to put up a good 225 rep #. Especially if the guy is only average speed at best.

2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Receivers

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Bench pressing has nothing to do with a guy's ability to play football or beat a guy that's trying to press him. The scouts put too much stock into the bench press.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bench pressing has nothing to do with a guy's ability to play football or beat a guy that's trying to press him. The scouts put too much stock into the bench press.

Scouts put too much stock into the combine period. The film does not lie. Case and point, Brandon Flowers has been removed from the top of most draft boards due to a not so stellar 40 time. He will still be the best CB drafted this year because he can flat out play better than the rest of those guys.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Scouts put too much stock into the combine period. The film does not lie. Case and point, Brandon Flowers has been removed from the top of most draft boards due to a not so stellar 40 time. He will still be the best CB drafted this year because he can flat out play better than the rest of those guys.

I love Brandon Flowers, he's a lot better then Cason and Talib in my opinion. He ran a 4.55 which is not great... but I bet he's one of those guys who runs well in pads.

I would take him in the 2nd round in a heartbeat

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

I love Brandon Flowers, he's a lot better then Cason and Talib in my opinion. He ran a 4.55 which is not great... but I bet he's one of those guys who runs well in pads.

I would take him in the 2nd round in a heartbeat

I concur. I would take him in the top 10 if I had a pick. The only reason he fell out of the top 10 was because of that damn 40 time.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by angryssg

I concur. I would take him in the top 10 if I had a pick. The only reason he fell out of the top 10 was because of that damn 40 time.

I wouldn't take him that high... I think Mayock is overating him. I would take him between picks 25-42

And I would not touch Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason with a 10 foot pole in the first.

McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie I would grab with the 21st pick if they were availiable

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

I wouldn't take him that high... I think Mayock is overating him. I would take him between picks 25-42

And I would not touch Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason with a 10 foot pole in the first.

McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie I would grab with the 21st pick if they were availiable

Mayock doesn't even have him that high anymore. He dropped him out of the 1st round alltogether. Once again because of the bad 40 time. I think that people are putting too much stock into Cromartie because of his cousin and his 40 time. I wasn't even paying attention to McKelvin.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Bench pressing has nothing to do with a guy's ability to play football or beat a guy that's trying to press him. The scouts put too much stock into the bench press.

Overall strength is definitely a significant factor that needs to be considered in evaluating a guy's ability to play and beat press coverage. Especially a bigger guy who is not tremendously fast or quick.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Overall strength is definitely a significant factor that needs to be considered in evaluating a guy's ability to play and beat press coverage. Especially a bigger guy who is not tremendously fast or quick.

Trust me. It's not that important. When Jared Allen of KC did his bench press, I think he only did 12-13 reps. And he's a top pass rushing DE in the NFL. He sure doesn't have a problem bulling over 300+ pound LT's does he? Charles Haley, one of the best pure pass rushers in his time NEVER EVER lifted weights. Randy Moss doesn't lift weights. Yet guys like Adam Archeletta can probably bench 225 a gazillion times yet he sucks at playing his position. In the end, it comes down to a guy's ability to play football.

Also there are so many other excerises that coming into play when it comes to football. Power clean, squats, hack squats, and dumbell presses. Bench pressing is just one small piece when testing a guy's overall strength.

[SkinsFanSince91]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Trust me. It's not that important. When Jared Allen of KC did his bench press, I think he only did 12-13 reps. And he's a top pass rushing DE in the NFL. He sure doesn't have a problem bulling over 300+ pound LT's does he? Charles Haley, one of the best pure pass rushers in his time NEVER EVER lifted weights. Randy Moss doesn't lift weights. Yet guys like Adam Archeletta can probably bench 225 a gazillion times yet he sucks at playing his position. In the end, it comes down to a guy's ability to play football.

Also there are so many other excerises that coming into play when it comes to football. Power clean, squats, hack squats, and dumbell presses. Bench pressing is just one small piece when testing a guy's overall strength.

That was a long time ago,, and it took a long tim ebefore J Allen got any good.

The only thing that his bench reps show me is that he is a slacker. You can't be at a D-1 school for more than 3 years and comeout doing that. He couldn't have been serious in the weight room, so what makes you think he is gonna be serious when he is getting paid.

He will just be a 6-6 version of B Lloyd.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Trust me. It's not that important. When Jared Allen of KC did his bench press, I think he only did 12-13 reps. And he's a top pass rushing DE in the NFL. He sure doesn't have a problem bulling over 300+ pound LT's does he? Charles Haley, one of the best pure pass rushers in his time NEVER EVER lifted weights. Randy Moss doesn't lift weights. Yet guys like Adam Archeletta can probably bench 225 a gazillion times yet he sucks at playing his position. In the end, it comes down to a guy's ability to play football.

Trust me it is that important. SkinsfanSince1991 also brings up a great point about work ethic. Bench is the fastest way to determine overall upper body strength. If it didn't mean anything why do it. The scouts and coaches that get paid a bunch of $$$ to evaluate talent must think it's important or they wouldn't do it at the combine. Also, guys who bench poorly wouldn't see their draft stock drop.