Gov. Spitzer Linked to Prostitution Ring

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

But again sex is not illegal. Clinton's blow job may have offended you, but the majority of this country saw it as nothing more than a political based attack.(thus his 90% plus approval rating)

And you can try to twist my words on what I said about morality, but I stand by the fact that the GOP plays the morality card to appeal to the Christan conservatives, but usually these "morals" are more about fear and hate. Bush basically won in 2004 on the "issue" of gay marriage.

It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

We're not?? Damn, now what do I do with my petition to stop any and all minorities, homosexuals, and foreigners from practicing un-american activities by permitting christians the right to shoot them on sight??

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

I know you weren't specifically addressing me, but I want to make clear that I certainly don't believe that right-wingers are homophobic, xenophobic, etc.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I know you weren't specifically addressing me, but I want to make clear that I certainly don't believe that right-wingers are homophobic, xenophobic, etc.

I hope no one thought I was addressing you. As a fellow Republican (moderate republican) who's a minority I know how you roll.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

If I'm correct the reason that the Congress passed the law is because Judges where in effect making laws by overturning laws based off their view of weather it was right or wrong. I could be off on this but thats how I remember this happening.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

I completely agree with you on the latter point, but with respect to the former point, how is any other group of people any different?

What it boils down to is that everyone is pushing for their own sense of morality to be installed and defended by the government, whether you're a right-wing Christian or a left-wing homosexual.

In the end, the majority will rule. If the majority elects leaders that enact laws they want and generally do the will of the people, tough shit for the minority.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I completely agree with you on the latter point, but with respect to the former point, how is any other group of people any different?

What it boils down to is that everyone is pushing for their own sense of morality to be installed and defended by the government, whether you're a right-wing Christian or a left-wing homosexual.

In the end, the majority will rule. If the majority elects leaders that enact laws they want and generally do the will of the people, tough shit for the minority.

Exactly. A majority of Americans oppose homosexual marriage which is why the left cries bigotry when the issue is mentioned. When the majority is on their side it's full steam ahead. When it's not, accuse the other side of being evil.

[70Chip]

I might pay $4300 to sleep with the Princess of Wales the night before her wedding, but other than that... maybe the Queen of Jordan. Those Hashemites have impeccable taste. But, for the women in those pictures? You can pick that up at the pool hall in Centreville.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.

That might be the single most common sense thing I've read here in a while.