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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

And I just saw this....Obama is not black? His dad is from Kenya. What in god's name are you talking about?

No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.

He's black enough to split the white vote in Mississippi and Alabama pretty much along racial lines. Yes, there are idiots who voted for him simply because he is black, but there are as many if not more idiots who won't vote for him because he is black. To say that a black man named Barak Hussein Obama has an unfair political advantage over white politicians is, IMO, dumb.

As for him not being black enough, IMO if you're 50% African American, you're black because that's how the majority of people would define you.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

He's black enough to split the white vote in Mississippi and Alabama pretty much along racial lines. Yes, there are idiots who voted for him simply because he is black, but there are as many if not more idiots who won't vote for him because he is black. To say that a black man named Barak Hussein Obama has an unfair political advantage over white politicians is, IMO, dumb.

There was a guy on CNN (a black man, can't remember his name cause I saw him in the Phoenix airport back in late January) that said that there just isn't the white racism in the world that people think. I tend to believe him. Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race, but overall it's just not there like it used to be. Maybe it's due to P.C., maybe it's due to awareness...who knows. But white people are just not as racist as people think.
You do have to ask yourself why Obama is getting well over 90% of the black votes, but yet across the country, there is no real correlation of who the white people are voting for. If white people were THAT racist, then Hilary would be running away with most states.

ps- I could safely assume that a lot of people do not in fact know that he is part white, and do not in fact know his middle name is Hussien. Most of you guys in the DC area know this stuff well cause politics are shoved down your throat 24/7. The rest of the world is not as educated (as a whole) when it comes to politics.

As for him not being black enough, IMO if you're 50% African American, you're black because that's how the majority of people would define you.

I never said he wasn't "black enough". Just that he's not black. Just like Tiger Woods is not black.
Be very careful as to how you lump your assumptions because the "majority" of people believe it.
The majority of older Christians believe that evolution is not true.
The majority of the population used to believe the world was flat.
The majority of scientists believed the atom was the smallest thing in the world.

Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln quote:
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
The majority is not always right.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

There was a guy on CNN (a black man, can't remember his name cause I saw him in the Phoenix airport back in late January) that said that there just isn't the white racism in the world that people think. I tend to believe him. Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race, but overall it's just not there like it used to be. Maybe it's due to P.C., maybe it's due to awareness...who knows. But white people are just not as racist as people think.
You do have to ask yourself why Obama is getting well over 90% of the black votes, but yet across the country, there is no real correlation of who the white people are voting for. If white people were THAT racist, then Hilary would be running away with most states.

ps- I could safely assume that a lot of people do not in fact know that he is part white, and do not in fact know his middle name is Hussien. Most of you guys in the DC area know this stuff well cause politics are shoved down your throat 24/7. The rest of the world is not as educated (as a whole) when it comes to politics.



I never said he wasn't "black enough". Just that he's not black. Just like Tiger Woods is not black.
Be very careful as to how you lump your assumptions because the "majority" of people believe it.
The majority of older Christians believe that evolution is not true.
The majority of the population used to believe the world was flat.
The majority of scientists believed the atom was the smallest thing in the world.

Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln quote:
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
The majority is not always right.

Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race )

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race )

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.

Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?

Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! ). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.

If we get there, we'll be the first society in the history of the planet to do so.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to keep making strides, but let's not be naive and think this generation is so special that we'll be the ones to finally put an end to discrimination that goes back to the cave men and probably dinosaurs.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! ). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.

It kind of cracks me up when there are a ton of shades of "white" and a ton of shades of "black"...so someone that is exactly inbetween...how does he or she get catagorized?

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?

No, it doesn't.

Begging the Question

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by mheisig

No, it doesn't.

Begging the Question

and that begs the question, why are there no threads about what is going on in the NBA, or how Bush is giving us money back this year (the "surplus"), and how many of you that won't accept it because you think it should go to "deficeit". Or preseason baseball? Or the fact that the Yankees signed Billy Crystal? It just begs the question.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.

Your comments suggest a deep ignorance of the history of racial classification in this country. Ever heard of the one drop rule? Probably not right? Please study history more carefully before you go patronizing people on message boards. As Obama himself said, when he's trying to hail a cab in New York it doesn't matter that he's biracial.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Your comments suggest a deep ignorance of the history of racial classification in this country. Ever heard of the one drop rule? Probably not right? Please study history more carefully before you go patronizing people on message boards. As Obama himself said, when he's trying to hail a cab in New York it doesn't matter that he's biracial.

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.

Sarcasm noted.

By the way, there is a huge difference between seeing shades of COLOR, and using color as a means of separation.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

For someone who is insistent upon abolishing labels, it's kind of curious you had to drop the 142 IQ and master's degree note.

To us, you're just jsarno.