Using a high pick on QB.

skinsfan_nn · 03-20-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Anyone think that Campbell is a little on the delicate side?

His knee dislocation at the Bears game aside. He went out for a snap or two earlier in that game and seems to go out a lot when he gets a minor rattling.

I feel for that reason looking into a QB isn't the worst of ideas, especially if we have Zorn teach this guy and get the early learning out of the way. Let me reiterate, I'm a Campbell fan.

A little on the delicate side, thats one thing he's not. This kid is tough as nails!

A minor rattling or did you mean near death experience? Which one....

For me the proof was in many games but the one that stands out loud and very clear was 2006 last game in DC and of our season (the almost new years eve game 12/30/06) against the giants. He all but got killed out there and you could not keep the young man off the field. One shot he took we thought he was going off the field in a cart straight to the hospital, next thing you know JC is right back out there moving the ball.....west coast style.

We came so close to winning that game it was unreal. The giants went on to a wild card with an 8-8 record.

MTK · 03-20-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Anyone think that Campbell is a little on the delicate side?

His knee dislocation at the Bears game aside. He went out for a snap or two earlier in that game and seems to go out a lot when he gets a minor rattling.

I feel for that reason looking into a QB isn't the worst of ideas, especially if we have Zorn teach this guy and get the early learning out of the way. Let me reiterate, I'm a Campbell fan.

I think in the Bears game it was more than just a minor rattling. If I recall correctly he took a good shot to his elbow or arm and didn't have much feeling in it for a few minutes.

Other than that when else has he come out of a game?

Skinny Tee · 03-20-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think in the Bears game it was more than just a minor rattling. If I recall correctly he took a good shot to his elbow or arm and didn't have much feeling in it for a few minutes.

Other than that when else has he come out of a game?

The scare in the preseason but that can't count.

For some reason I remember him coming out for a few snaps in another game other than the Bears. He always seems to get up gingerly when there is a routine hit on him.

Stuck in TX · 03-20-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I heard that during the combine Cerrato interviewed QB Joe Flacco and some other DEs and DTs.

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Lets not forget that we worked out Jamarcus Russel last season too. This doesnt neccesarily mean anything.

MTK · 03-21-2008, 07:14 AM

Collins didn't take any snaps until the Chicago game, so JC couldn't have missed any time before that.

schndr_tdd · 03-21-2008, 08:36 AM

You hit it Mattyk72.When we played the Lions,Al and the gang called short plays (slants,curls,etc.)to exploit the lack of speed in the middle of the Lions defense.Jason looked great,mostly because Moss,Cooley,ARE can produce after the catch.I think the reason that they havent gone after a WR in free agency is because they are strong there.They need a tall strong receiver to block and be a threat inside the 20.Cambell will have a breakout year.Look at his stats his senior year.Dont forget that Portis was a star in this style for Denver,and to get pressure off the QB(blocking,dump offs,and draws)is where hes one of the best.The only problem i see,is health of the line.

Defensewins · 03-21-2008, 09:36 AM

JC played very well in the WC offense in college. Why the assumptions that he will fail? If he struggles at first it is because he is still adjusting to the NFL game, not because the WC offense does not suit him. JC is a good athlete and with time he will do well.

I have not seen Joe Flacco play in a real game, but sounds like the hype is getting larger than life. Has anybody seen him play in college? Is he a gamer or is a work out freak that has a strong arm and all the numbers (height, weight, speed)? Mr Cerrato, I do not want a good practice and work out player. I want a FOOTBALL player that proves it on the field not a work out freak.

At this time of year some people (I am being nice by calling them people) look at the combine numbers and get excited. But the numbers never tell the whole story, remember guys like Mike Mamula that elevated themselves high in the draft because of an off the chart work out at the combine.

Recently in 2005, Matt Jones from Arkansas blew everyone away at the combine 6'6' 230 pounds and ran a 4.3 in the 40. In three years he has five starts, with 101 catches. Smells like a bust.
You can not measure the intangibles.

MTK · 03-21-2008, 11:49 AM

Barely developed? I dunno, I just don't see it. I thought he played very well in the 2nd half of the year and showed signs that he was close to turning the corner.

Of course he has room to improve but I don't think he's so far off that this season is a make or break year for him.

irish · 03-21-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Barely developed? I dunno, I just don't see it. I thought he played very well in the 2nd half of the year and showed signs that he was close to turning the corner.

Of course he has room to improve but I don't think he's so far off that this season is a make or break year for him.

Had Gibbs stayed I dont think it would be a make or break year but he didnt. These are new coaches that didnt draft JC and IMO that makes a huge difference (much like Gibbs didnt draft PR, I really think it made a difference to Gibbs). JC is not terrible by any means but he is nowhere close to being worth the 3 draft picks the Skins gave up for him 4 years ago. That said I dont think the Skins are in "need a QB" mode yet but by the end of the season we will know.

MTK · 03-21-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Had Gibbs stayed I dont think it would be a make or break year but he didnt. These are new coaches that didnt draft JC and IMO that makes a huge difference (much like Gibbs didnt draft PR, I really think it made a difference to Gibbs). JC is not terrible by any means but he is nowhere close to being worth the 3 draft picks the Skins gave up for him 4 years ago. That said I dont think the Skins are in "need a QB" mode yet but by the end of the season we will know.

Looking back now I think it's clear that Ramsey just wasn't starting material. If he could have played I'm not sure it would have mattered much to Gibbs whether he drafted him or not.

irish · 03-21-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Looking back now I think it's clear that Ramsey just wasn't starting material. If he could have played I'm not sure it would have mattered much to Gibbs whether he drafted him or not.

Its always easier with 20/20 hindsight. Of course if he could have played Gibbs wouldnt have had a problem but like you said, he couldnt. So far, its not clear that JC is startinig material so like you say, if he shows he can play Zorn will keep him. The problem is its not obvious that JC is starting material.

GTripp0012 · 03-21-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Its always easier with 20/20 hindsight. Of course if he could have played Gibbs wouldnt have had a problem but like you said, he couldnt. So far, its not clear that JC is startinig material so like you say, if he shows he can play Zorn will keep him. The problem is its not obvious that JC is starting material.

I think you mean, its not certain.

It IS pretty obvious, but you CAN make an argument to the contrary.

hail_2_da_skins · 03-21-2008, 11:54 AM

The Redskins have a lot of needs but I don't think quarterback is high on that list. A third string quarterback, that most likely will not see the playing field this year, should not warrant a high draft pick. The Skins need a corner back, safety, wide receiver, offensive and defensive line depth. I would address all those needs first. With their long list of needs and draft position, the Skins will be in a position to draft the best player available.

schndr_tdd · 03-21-2008, 02:51 PM

We have 2 QB's that could start on this team,we don't need another.Here is a list of positions we need:CB,OL,DE,DT,WR,LB,S,P in that order.

Skinny Tee · 03-21-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by schndr_tdd

We have 2 QB's that could start on this team,we don't need another.Here is a list of positions we need:CB,OL,DE,DT,WR,LB,S,P in that order.

I like CB, DE, DE, OG, OL, DL, DL, CB,

I'm really hoping for a CB for the first round pick. I would prefer DE but there probably won't be one good enough to select with the 21st.

Linemen need to be picked with the rest of the draft. They have a better chance of sticking to the roster and paying dividends down the road.

03-21-2008, 07:14 AM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Using a high pick on QB. Collins didn't take any snaps until the Chicago game, so JC couldn't have missed any time before that. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-21-2008, 08:36 AM	#6
schndr_tdd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 104	Re: Using a high pick on QB. You hit it Mattyk72.When we played the Lions,Al and the gang called short plays (slants,curls,etc.)to exploit the lack of speed in the middle of the Lions defense.Jason looked great,mostly because Moss,Cooley,ARE can produce after the catch.I think the reason that they havent gone after a WR in free agency is because they are strong there.They need a tall strong receiver to block and be a threat inside the 20.Cambell will have a breakout year.Look at his stats his senior year.Dont forget that Portis was a star in this style for Denver,and to get pressure off the QB(blocking,dump offs,and draws)is where hes one of the best.The only problem i see,is health of the line.

03-21-2008, 09:36 AM	#7
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,765	Re: Using a high pick on QB. JC played very well in the WC offense in college. Why the assumptions that he will fail? If he struggles at first it is because he is still adjusting to the NFL game, not because the WC offense does not suit him. JC is a good athlete and with time he will do well. I have not seen Joe Flacco play in a real game, but sounds like the hype is getting larger than life. Has anybody seen him play in college? Is he a gamer or is a work out freak that has a strong arm and all the numbers (height, weight, speed)? Mr Cerrato, I do not want a good practice and work out player. I want a FOOTBALL player that proves it on the field not a work out freak. At this time of year some people (I am being nice by calling them people) look at the combine numbers and get excited. But the numbers never tell the whole story, remember guys like Mike Mamula that elevated themselves high in the draft because of an off the chart work out at the combine. Recently in 2005, Matt Jones from Arkansas blew everyone away at the combine 6'6' 230 pounds and ran a 4.3 in the 40. In three years he has five starts, with 101 catches. Smells like a bust. You can not measure the intangibles.

03-21-2008, 11:49 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: Using a high pick on QB. Barely developed? I dunno, I just don't see it. I thought he played very well in the 2nd half of the year and showed signs that he was close to turning the corner. Of course he has room to improve but I don't think he's so far off that this season is a make or break year for him. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-21-2008, 11:54 AM	#13
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 69 Posts: 868	Re: Using a high pick on QB. The Redskins have a lot of needs but I don't think quarterback is high on that list. A third string quarterback, that most likely will not see the playing field this year, should not warrant a high draft pick. The Skins need a corner back, safety, wide receiver, offensive and defensive line depth. I would address all those needs first. With their long list of needs and draft position, the Skins will be in a position to draft the best player available. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

03-21-2008, 02:51 PM	#14
schndr_tdd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 104	Re: Using a high pick on QB. We have 2 QB's that could start on this team,we don't need another.Here is a list of positions we need:CB,OL,DE,DT,WR,LB,S,P in that order.

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