Chris Henry Charged with Assault; Waived by Bengals

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If he's 100% innocent ( which I doubt ) then why wouldn't we take a look at this guy??

I can't see why not. If the charges are dropped because its some 18 year old trying to get paid the skins would have to consider signing him to an INCENTIVE LADEN CONTRACT WHICH WOULD BE VOIDED IF HE F'D UP AGAIN. No offense guys, but you don't have to be a saint to be a good football player, Dexter Manley was one hell of a Redskin, John Riggins would have been arrested just as many times if athletes were under the same microscope back when he played.

He's definiterly a better option at WR then Mix and could save us from using a high draft pick on a WR. He'll also come extremely cheap right now

Look around the league. A lot of great WR have issues whether it's personality or with the law. When the Pats signed Moss last year I bet most of you said he would single handedly destroy the Pats and that it was a bad move. Well it turned out he needed a change of scenery and he wsn't such a bad guy after all. What if the charges are dropped, Henry signs with the Eagles or Cowboys and goes to the pro bowl next year? Would you still think it was the smart thing to stay away from him?

[lwiedy]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

I can't see why not. If the charges are dropped because its some 18 year old trying to get paid the skins would have to consider signing him to a INCENTIVE LADEN CONTRACT WHICH WOULD BE VOIDED IF HE F'D UP AGAIN. No offense guys, but you don't have to be a saint to be a good football player, Dexter Manley was one hell of a Redskin, John Riggins would have been arrested just as many times if athletes were under the same microscope back when he played.

He's definiterly a better option at WR then Mix and could save us from using a high draft pick on a WR. He'll also come extremely cheap right now

Look around the league. A lot of great WR have issues whether it's personality or with the law. When the Pats signed Moss last year I bet most of you said he would single handedly destroy the Pats and that it was a bad move. Well it turned out he needed a change of scenery and he wsn't such a bad guy after all. What if the charges are dropped, Henry signs with the Eagles or Cowboys and goes to the pro bowl next year? Would you still think it was the smart thing to stay away from him?

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

If you can replace a guy like that with someone better then of course. But what about hwen you have a great athlete and you cant replace him with another great athlete that doesnt get into trouble?

The Eagles have nice guys at receiver now...they just arent any good...
How are the Vikings receivers after they cut Moss for walking off the field and stuff?....
Tank Johnson? hasnt caused problems in dallas and is a great player
Albert Haynesworth? best in the league at his position...

Even Chris Henry- the passing attack wasnt as good with him gone, and thats having two better guys in front of him. He was an integral part of that offense...

Anygry guys make good football players, bad citizens, but great football players...
Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

[lwiedy]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

If you can replace a guy like that with someone better then of course. But what about hwen you have a great athlete and you cant replace him with another great athlete that doesnt get into trouble?

The Eagles have nice guys at receiver now...they just arent any good...
How are the Vikings receivers after they cut Moss for walking off the field and stuff?....
Tank Johnson? hasnt caused problems in dallas and is a great player
Albert Haynesworth? best in the league at his position...

Even Chris Henry- the passing attack wasnt as good with him gone, and thats having two better guys in front of him. He was an integral part of that offense...

Anygry guys make good football players, bad citizens, but great football players...
Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

This is just me, but I want a team I can be proud of, as well, and it is possible. I know that is not a priority with everyone. You seem attached to U of M, well they have become a laughing stock and not because of their record. They justified creepy behavior for years and it got so out of hand that they became a punch line to every joke told about a scandalous program.

With nearly every one of your examples, there was some kind of chaos the ensued. Yeah Dallas had a good year last year but at the cost of a pretty good coach the year before. It's way too early to judge the Tank Johnson situation.

If you are saying one good season justifies blowing up a franchise (49ers, Eagles, Bengals) then I think you are nuts.

Just ask yourself, What Would Gibbs Do?

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

This is just me, but I want a team I can be proud of, as well, and it is possible. I know that is not a priority with everyone. You seem attached to U of M, well they have become a laughing stock and not because of their record. They justified creepy behavior for years and it got so out of hand that they became a punch line to every joke told about a scandalous program.

With nearly every one of your examples, there was some kind of chaos the ensued. Yeah Dallas had a good year last year but at the cost of a pretty good coach the year before. It's way too early to judge the Tank Johnson situation.

If you are saying one good season justifies blowing up a franchise (49ers, Eagles, Bengals) then I think you are nuts.

Just ask yourself, What Would Gibbs Do?

I think the last line of your argument is the entire basis of what Skins fans think and do. In the 'good ole days' we thrived on getting that blue collar guy that busted his ass to succceed.

Everyone loves the story about the small town kid that worked hard and became great.

No one loves the pompass player that is seemingly taking his skills for granted and making stupid mistakes.

We look at these guys under a microscope and its not fair to them. You can be a pro football player, and drink with minors. I know its illegal and sounds bad. but think about it guys. A lot of people on this board are in college and I refuse to believe you didnt drink as a minor or with a minor before... or has everyone except me on this board never been to a strip club?

I dont want a team of "Rudys" or "the invincable". Personally, I dont need to hear the feel good story. I just want to win football games.

Yes theres a line. No I dont like that players at my college got into a lot of trouble in recent years and ear marked that program as being bad. But, if you look at it, people only cared that they did inapproriate things when they were losing. No one cares when you are winning.

When i went to school Portis, Shockey, Taylor...these guys were all there. And the guys before that like Sapp...Ray Lewis... All of them have attitude problem, they all got in trouble.

Everyone loves Portis and Taylor, so dotn sit here and compalin about the rest of the league without looking internally. Portis and Taylor were no Saints, hell lewis was arrested and Sapp is a walking time bomb.

But with age came maturity, they are all (were....) fun guys and matured. They learned from their mistakes and became dominant. So dont be so quick to dismiss a guy like Henry, he could be the next great lockerroom MVP in the leauge. Or he could become trash... its a risk. I just think its a small risk, you can always cut the guy.

We have a great team in place, with strong vet leaders. They would keep players in control.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I think the last line of your argument is the entire basis of what Skins fans think and do. In the 'good ole days' we thrived on getting that blue collar guy that busted his ass to succceed.

Everyone loves the story about the small town kid that worked hard and became great.

No one loves the pompass player that is seemingly taking his skills for granted and making stupid mistakes.

We look at these guys under a microscope and its not fair to them. You can be a pro football player, and drink with minors. I know its illegal and sounds bad. but think about it guys. A lot of people on this board are in college and I refuse to believe you didnt drink as a minor or with a minor before... or has everyone except me on this board never been to a strip club?

I dont want a team of "Rudys" or "the invincable". Personally, I dont need to hear the feel good story. I just want to win football games.

Yes theres a line. No I dont like that players at my college got into a lot of trouble in recent years and ear marked that program as being bad. But, if you look at it, people only cared that they did inapproriate things when they were losing. No one cares when you are winning.

When i went to school Portis, Shockey, Taylor...these guys were all there. And the guys before that like Sapp...Ray Lewis... All of them have attitude problem, they all got in trouble.

Everyone loves Portis and Taylor, so dotn sit here and compalin about the rest of the league without looking internally. Portis and Taylor were no Saints, hell lewis was arrested and Sapp is a walking time bomb.

But with age came maturity, they are all (were....) fun guys and matured. They learned from their mistakes and became dominant. So dont be so quick to dismiss a guy like Henry, he could be the next great lockerroom MVP in the leauge. Or he could become trash... its a risk. I just think its a small risk, you can always cut the guy.

We have a great team in place, with strong vet leaders. They would keep players in control.

Good points about all of the U guys. EXCEPT WARREN SAPP. You'd think he'd grown out of his ghetto attitude playing for a fine man like Tony D. But he is still an a-hole.

[GMScud]

Plus, it's not like you can say Henry leaves it all on the field either. Chad Johnson and TO both have big mouths, but no run ins with the law, and no one questions their effort come Sunday.

I seem to remember Carson Palmer getting in Chris Henry's face when he half assed some plays. Henry is another entitled selfish punk thug who doesn't work hard and has no regard for the law. I'd be sick if he was on our team.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

I think the last line of your argument is the entire basis of what Skins fans think and do. In the 'good ole days' we thrived on getting that blue collar guy that busted his ass to succceed.

Everyone loves the story about the small town kid that worked hard and became great.

No one loves the pompass player that is seemingly taking his skills for granted and making stupid mistakes.

We look at these guys under a microscope and its not fair to them. You can be a pro football player, and drink with minors. I know its illegal and sounds bad. but think about it guys. A lot of people on this board are in college and I refuse to believe you didnt drink as a minor or with a minor before... or has everyone except me on this board never been to a strip club?

I dont want a team of "Rudys" or "the invincable". Personally, I dont need to hear the feel good story. I just want to win football games.

Yes theres a line. No I dont like that players at my college got into a lot of trouble in recent years and ear marked that program as being bad. But, if you look at it, people only cared that they did inapproriate things when they were losing. No one cares when you are winning.

When i went to school Portis, Shockey, Taylor...these guys were all there. And the guys before that like Sapp...Ray Lewis... All of them have attitude problem, they all got in trouble.

Everyone loves Portis and Taylor, so dotn sit here and compalin about the rest of the league without looking internally. Portis and Taylor were no Saints, hell lewis was arrested and Sapp is a walking time bomb.

But with age came maturity, they are all (were....) fun guys and matured. They learned from their mistakes and became dominant. So dont be so quick to dismiss a guy like Henry, he could be the next great lockerroom MVP in the leauge. Or he could become trash... its a risk. I just think its a small risk, you can always cut the guy.

We have a great team in place, with strong vet leaders. They would keep players in control.

funny, a lot of people said this same locker room could bring out the best in Brandon Lloyd.....wonder how that is going to play out. Is he still on the roster??

I just dont understand these arguements for players that are idiots. Do you and I get into fights at strip clubs, beat up our girlfriends, carry guns around??? if these idiots weren't football players, like you and i, they would be in jail. How hard is it NOT to get arrested? I am no saint either, but I seem to be able to go to drive to work everyday, work, drive home, have a couple of beers or friday and saturday and not get arrested. seems pretty damn easy. These players seems to think getting arrested is no big deal, that smashing a stippers face into a stage for picking up dollars bills that were thrown on the stage for her is ok. she deserved it. I have no remorse for guys that make millions of dollars that can't seem to stay out of trouble. it is absolutely mind boggling.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

funny, a lot of people said this same locker room could bring out the best in Brandon Lloyd.....wonder how that is going to play out. Is he still on the roster??

Brand Lloyd was cut because he didn't have a place in the system, not because he was a disruption in the locker room.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by lwiedy

"action without vision is a nightmare". Signing a guy like Henry is action without vision. We need something, so this is what is in front of you and you react.

This notion that nothing is lost if he screws up is losing sight that if in fact another player comes along that would be a better fit, you've already cast your lot to the devil (so to speak). Then he screws up (and he will screw up) and now your back to square one.

Use your Manley example, sure we got a lot out of him, but we needed him in 1988 & 89 and where was he? We had great teams that came up short because a guy like Manley left us high (no pun intended) and dry. When we replaced him, we (with essentially the same team) returned to the playoffs.

Those who do not learn from thier mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

If you think that Dexter Manley playing for the skins was a mistake then we have a philosophical difference. Obviously we are looking at this from different angles ... Chris Henry is one of the most talented young WR in the league. The fact that a lot football people thought the Bengals would part with Johnson because in Housh and Henry they have 2 Pro bowl caliber WR should tell you something.

I think your mistake is you're scared and not thinking outside of the box. If I could somehow guarantee signing Henry would bring a super bowl next year would you agree with the signing of Henry? Probably not