Redskins draft day trade for veteran WR

[SBXVII]

I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.

1 + 3 = 4 correct, but giving up a 1st and a 3rd rounder is not the same thing. NE gave up a 4th round pick for Randy Moss.

ESPN - Raiders trade Moss to Patriots for 4th-round pick - NFL

[prinzeofmoval]

after what i heard this morning on NFL live i heard they're going after Malcolm Kelly rather then Manningham. Kelly is a big reciever whom Carson Palmer is used to having. Also Kelly ran a 4.3 40 which isn't bad for a 220 pounder. They lost Washington a year ago, fired Henry this year and more then likely will lose Chad in the next year so they need a solid number 3 who can become a number 2 or 1 even. Chad isn't likely to be dealed away for the simple fact that it hits Cincy for about 8 million against the cap from what i hear. they'll bench him before that happens.

[pstylee]

Why go for CJ, if there is so much concern about character, and with the salary cap in effect, I believe that this will comeback to shoot us in the foot. Take a look at the younger, bigger recievers that we have on the roster, i.e. Mc Mullen, Mix, Toler. Those guys could be just as productive, and be better in terms of financial obligation. The only way that I see this working out in our favor is if the Bengals agree to eat some of the money that CJ is going to demand. Plus, is he really that good, or is he just a product of the system. Will he flourish in a WC offense? I don't believe so.

If we do draft a WR then it will make more sense, cause we won't need players to every year re work their contracts. I say play it safe and work on the team from the inside and mold the younger guys to play the style that you want on a team and stop bringing the ego-driven, overrated guys (look no further than the biggest 'Skins bust of all time...Neon Deion). If CJ was so good than how come the Bengals haven't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs?

We have more glaring holes that we need.

So who is with me?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by pstylee

Why go for CJ, if there is so much concern about character, and with the salary cap in effect, I believe that this will comeback to shoot us in the foot. Take a look at the younger, bigger recievers that we have on the roster, i.e. Mc Mullen, Mix, Toler. Those guys could be just as productive, and be better in terms of financial obligation. The only way that I see this working out in our favor is if the Bengals agree to eat some of the money that CJ is going to demand. Plus, is he really that good, or is he just a product of the system. Will he flourish in a WC offense? I don't believe so.

If we do draft a WR then it will make more sense, cause we won't need players to every year re work their contracts. I say play it safe and work on the team from the inside and mold the younger guys to play the style that you want on a team and stop bringing the ego-driven, overrated guys (look no further than the biggest 'Skins bust of all time...Neon Deion). If CJ was so good than how come the Bengals haven't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs?

We have more glaring holes that we need.

So who is with me?

I second that assertion.


As a team we have major holes at the very core of our team. If we want to be competitive year in and year out we need to build our OL & DL so they are stout. Then we can worry about what WRs to acquire in free agency.

CJ isn't going to matter much when we first of all, can't get our offense on to the field quickly, and second, can't give our QB ample time to work the offensive scheme.


...(Whispers): "Build the core and it will come"

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I agree with you Sandtrap but why does it seem like you are lobbying to make the Skins better instead of sitting back and watching us self destruct due to new coaching? Is it possibly "I'd rather be right and say I told you so," over "The Skins suck" approach? LOL.

Essentially giving up a 1st and a 3rd is what NE gave for Moss right? So the deal would not be bad for CJ. I just can't see us trading the 1st round this yr and giving them a 1st next yr. I might even go as high as a 2nd rounder only cause CJ is a proven WR and can put up the numbers. If the vetrans can keep him in check then I can see us looking 100% better next yr and hopefully Mix can be groomed into a leading WR in the league.

I'm all about character also but sometimes you have to go simply with playmaking ability so long as the character issues are not that bad. T.O. was a problem for the Eagles. Punches were flying in their locker room also. He left and there has been no major incidents(as of yet). I think CJ has a whole lot more character then T.O. hell I thought T.O. was mental during his problem cycle. If I recall Moss was no angle in Minni either.

I have been a member of this forum for a couple of years and I come here to talk football...period.

Unlike other "rival" forums I have visited who, once they learn my fan affiliation, just break everything into a "smack and bash" thread, on WARPATH I can engage in some serious discussions with some seriously knowledgeable FOOTBALL fans, and 9 times out of 10 it does not turn into a bash thread.

And for that I enjoy the forum.

And yes this is a very workable scenario in this draft day trade. Just depends on how high the Bengals value Manningham. And how badly the Redskins would want to add a proven vet WR.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Unlike other "rival" forums I have visited who, once they learn my fan affiliation, just break everything into a "smack and bash" thread, on WARPATH I can engage in some serious discussions with some seriously knowledgeable FOOTBALL fans, and 9 times out of 10 it does not turn into a bash thread.

And for that I enjoy the forum.

Thank you for being a respectable Cowboys fan. The ones I come in contact with in real life are few and far between.

hmmmmm.... you some very compelling arguments. You make sense but I have a hard time beliveing it based on the talent available in the draft, and other teams who have "better" running backs to offer (and by better, I mean more recognizable and with better numbers because they havnt been behind a Clinton Portis), and are at a higher need for a top WR. I can only see us going after a WR in the draft, or a possible trade for a #2 guy, get for a good price, and put a little effort into and develop. Or both now that I think about it.

As far as a fan's prospective goes, the general consensus down here in yeehawville seems to be a want to trade away a first rounder for CJ and then a second for Roy Williams. I have not visited a Cowboy's forum so I do not know what ALL Cowboys fans are thinking but I figured talking to people here would be getting strait from the horses ass... I mean mouth.