I'm Not Sticking By Gibbs

[LadyT]

To those who have posted that the most likely reason that Gibbs isn't playing Ramsey is because he doesn't think Ramsey can get the job done - I say baloney.

Remember, it was Gibbs who reassured Ramsey that he will play a major part on this team.

If, as you speculate, he doesn't think Ramsey is the man, why would he say otherwise in the pre-season?

Conversely, if Gibbs meant what he said about Ramsey, when does he put his money where his mouth is and let Ramsey play?

Gibbs can't have it both ways - one the one hand he's trying to placate and reassure Ramsey, while on the other hand he's not letting him play when the current QB is stinking up the joint. At some point, what Gibbs says has to match what he does and who he chooses to start.

And to those of you who say we shouldn't criticize because we don't see what goes on in practice and we can't know what Gibbs is thinking - I say that, frankly, I don't care what goes on in practice nor what is in Gibbs' head. I only care about what I see during game time. That is all that counts - not what happens in practice. And what we have all been seeing in every game from the start of this season is poor play by Brunell. Is he alone in playing poorly on offense? No. But he does stand alone in consistently, game in and game out, playing poorly.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by LadyT

To those who have posted that the most likely reason that Gibbs isn't playing Ramsey is because he doesn't think Ramsey can get the job done - I say baloney.

Remember, it was Gibbs who reassured Ramsey that he will play a major part on this team.

If, as you speculate, he doesn't think Ramsey is the man, why would he say otherwise in the pre-season?

Conversely, if Gibbs meant what he said about Ramsey, when does he put his money where his mouth is and let Ramsey play?

Gibbs can't have it both ways - one the one hand he's trying to placate and reassure Ramsey, while on the other hand he's not letting him play when the current QB is stinking up the joint. At some point, what Gibbs says has to match what he does and who he chooses to start.

And to those of you who say we shouldn't criticize because we don't see what goes on in practice and we can't know what Gibbs is thinking - I say that, frankly, I don't care what goes on in practice nor what is in Gibbs' head. I only care about what I see during game time. That is all that counts - not what happens in practice. And what we have all been seeing in every game from the start of this season is poor play by Brunell. Is he alone in playing poorly on offense? No. But he does stand alone in consistently, game in and game out, playing poorly.

I don't think Gibbs was being hypocritical at all when he talked about Ramsey being a big part of the team. Gibbs didn't say it was now

"Patrick Ramsey has a terrific future, and I think [it's] with the Washington Redskins,'' Gibbs said. "We think we have an excellent young quarterback there, 24 years old. We're excited about that.

Of course, that was back in the spring so maybe his opinion has changed some since then.

[SkinsRock]

Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.

Good point.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.

I said something similar earlier today. I think once Ramsey gets in there, it's going to be for the long run assuming he performs, and he'll know that Gibbs will stand by him and won't have a quick hook.

[ZackMills]

Seriously though, Zack how do you figure that he isn't good anymore so quickly? Did he have to start 7-0 for you to think otherwise?

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

So after 7 games you have Gibbs figured out and you're ready to kick him to the curb?

No allowing him time to adjust, install his system, get his players, nothing?

So I guess you would have fired Vermeil after he went 5-11 in his first season back? I guess it's Super Bowl or bust?

[Paintrain]

I am fully supportive of Gibbs.. That means I think he is the right man to set the direction for the team and the level of professionalism that his team has lacked for a long time.

That being said, I don't know what he is waiting for to make a QB change. Maybe once the team is either destined to finish below .500 or is out of logical playoff contention (which is getting strikingly close) he will insert Ramsey to see what he can do. While I don't think Ramsey is 'the answer' and will magically make things happen, he cannot do any worse than Brunell..

For all the people who want to point out Ramsey from the Giants game, let's be factual about the impact that Brunell has had on the team so far. He has accounted for, directly or indirectly (teams scoring immediately after a Brunell turnover) for 41 points scored against the Redskins. 41 points scored against us are a result of his play. No team can be successful with those numbers. None of Ramsey's 3 INT led to a Giants score.

[offiss]

Ramseyfan is on the money with this one, I have said it for a while Brunell is the hold up on offense, I also said exactly what RF posted that Wilpon was saying, defenses are flooding the running lanes because they know Brunell can't get the ball downfield, and even if he hit's a pass here or there he can't sustain a drive, I also agree that Gibb's is having trouble admitting his mistake on brunell, I also think Gibb's is underestimating himself as far as his ability to get this team up to speed, he pretty much has done that exept for Brunell, and so long as he has Brunell in there he will not get the offense running like a well oiled machine, reason? You can't get continuity in the passing game if you can't complete a pass, I don't care how much time you spend playing together, gibb's will eventually make the change, and we will win but we are throwing this season away because of his stubbornness right now, Gibb's has alway's been pretty loyal to his starters but he never would have tolerated this kind of play by a QB in his first go round, especially when he has a QB of Ramsey's caliber waiting in the wing's.

I also like the quote about Brunell not wanting to get hit and his happy feet, sound's and look's like a guy hanging around for a paycheck, not a guy fighting his gut's out, unless he's fighting his gut's out not to get hit! :smashfrea

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

Did Paterno retire and come back 12 years later? I don't really follow college ball, but I don't think he did. Plus, isn't he 15-20 years older than Gibbs? Gibbs hasn't done it in 12 years, so of course he's rusty, but that doesn't mean he won't get it back. Whatever you do, what would happen if you quit and did something completely different, then went back 12 years later? It would take a while to get back into it. Gibbs has already shown progress in game management and will continue, but truthfully, I don't think he will really be back in top form until next season. This year is for him to get back into the swing...which is why he hired Williams for the D to carry the team this year. We just need to have patience....but that doesn't mean we as fans cannot criticize things we don't agree with (i.e. Brunell).

[redskinsskickazz]

this is funny we do this every year listen to ourselves it takes time to build solid teams years not months and were getting better every week the reason the redskins have stunk the last 12 years is we lack patience can you name one team in the history of the nfl that has turned over its coaching staff and most of its roster every year and been a consistent winner we need to just ride out this transition untill the skins get comfortable and to qoute lombardi winning becomes habit instead of losing

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

Just remember I am the one who said that Gibbs isn't any good anymore, and in 3 years, when we are still 6-10 material, you'll wish you wouldn't have flamed me.

Originally Posted by Len Pasquarelli

Three years from now, the guy who accepted the Redskins job as a Hall of Fame member will be viewed as just another ordinary Joe.

Well everybody, this is truly an honor. Acclaimed ESPN columnist Len Pasquarelli has decided to grace our message boards under the name ZackMills.

Seriously though, Zack how do you figure that he isn't good anymore so quickly? Did he have to start 7-0 for you to think otherwise?