I'm Not Sticking By Gibbs

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Maybe the fact that Gibbs is willing to stick with Brunell through thick and thin, is actually reassuring to Ramsey? So when his time does come, sooner or later, he will know that his coach will support him and will not replace him at the first sign of trouble. As pretty much everyone has agreed, putting Ramsey in is worth a shot, but Gibbs is sticking with his man, which proves that he will do it no matter who "his man" is. Ramsey knows that his time will come, and when it does, his coach will be behind him 100%.
I hope it is soon.

I said something similar earlier today. I think once Ramsey gets in there, it's going to be for the long run assuming he performs, and he'll know that Gibbs will stand by him and won't have a quick hook.

[ZackMills]

Seriously though, Zack how do you figure that he isn't good anymore so quickly? Did he have to start 7-0 for you to think otherwise?

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

So after 7 games you have Gibbs figured out and you're ready to kick him to the curb?

No allowing him time to adjust, install his system, get his players, nothing?

So I guess you would have fired Vermeil after he went 5-11 in his first season back? I guess it's Super Bowl or bust?

[Paintrain]

I am fully supportive of Gibbs.. That means I think he is the right man to set the direction for the team and the level of professionalism that his team has lacked for a long time.

That being said, I don't know what he is waiting for to make a QB change. Maybe once the team is either destined to finish below .500 or is out of logical playoff contention (which is getting strikingly close) he will insert Ramsey to see what he can do. While I don't think Ramsey is 'the answer' and will magically make things happen, he cannot do any worse than Brunell..

For all the people who want to point out Ramsey from the Giants game, let's be factual about the impact that Brunell has had on the team so far. He has accounted for, directly or indirectly (teams scoring immediately after a Brunell turnover) for 41 points scored against the Redskins. 41 points scored against us are a result of his play. No team can be successful with those numbers. None of Ramsey's 3 INT led to a Giants score.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

98 points (those scored by the Brunell led offense) - 42 points (those points scored off of Brunell)= 56 net points, or 8 points per game. WAY TO GO MARK!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

98 points (those scored by the Brunell led offense) - 42 points (those points scored off of Brunell)= 56 net points, or 8 points per game. WAY TO GO MARK!

Thanks, you articulated my point better than I had.. He has led us to a net touchdown and two point conversion per game. I highly doubt that Ramsey would do that poorly..

[redskinsskickazz]

this is my take on why i think gibbs is sticking with brunnell i think brunnells skills have faded some since he was younger but i dont think there gone personally i think his biggest problem is an utter lack of confidence and that is something that can return with time in the system i also believe that ramsey has the same problem right now and gibbs believes that brunnell being a veteran is the most likely to get in a groove and start moving this offense i could be wrong but if brunnell stays the starter i think we will see a signifigant improvement the second half of the season (not that he could be much worse) my point is that brunnell was once one of the best passers in the leauge and seven games in a brand new system with an offensive coaching staff that has been out of the leauge for so long is not enough time to say with any certainty that he can no longer play in the nfl.

[offiss]

Ramseyfan is on the money with this one, I have said it for a while Brunell is the hold up on offense, I also said exactly what RF posted that Wilpon was saying, defenses are flooding the running lanes because they know Brunell can't get the ball downfield, and even if he hit's a pass here or there he can't sustain a drive, I also agree that Gibb's is having trouble admitting his mistake on brunell, I also think Gibb's is underestimating himself as far as his ability to get this team up to speed, he pretty much has done that exept for Brunell, and so long as he has Brunell in there he will not get the offense running like a well oiled machine, reason? You can't get continuity in the passing game if you can't complete a pass, I don't care how much time you spend playing together, gibb's will eventually make the change, and we will win but we are throwing this season away because of his stubbornness right now, Gibb's has alway's been pretty loyal to his starters but he never would have tolerated this kind of play by a QB in his first go round, especially when he has a QB of Ramsey's caliber waiting in the wing's.

I also like the quote about Brunell not wanting to get hit and his happy feet, sound's and look's like a guy hanging around for a paycheck, not a guy fighting his gut's out, unless he's fighting his gut's out not to get hit! :smashfrea

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by ZackMills

What are we complaining about week in week out...poor clock management, use of our TOs, Brunell is clearly an awful awful QB, defenses know what we are running on offense. IT IS CLEARLY POOR COACHING. we have an amazing defense. what are we taught, DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. The 2002 ravens had an awful offense, and won the SUPER BOWL. we cant win a game. our offense, on paper, is not that bad. this "genius" was a genius 12 years ago. Today, his offense doesn't work, yet he still runs it. he's old, he won't change. he's stubborn. this situation is alot like penn state. we have a great defense, yet we still cant win because of a bad, predictable offense. we have a great, blue chip true freshmen on bench, yet we still game in, game out, play with our terrible senior QB.

I am sure that i am so angry because both teams are very similar and have potential, and both coach's primes have passed, and it just pisses me off.

Did Paterno retire and come back 12 years later? I don't really follow college ball, but I don't think he did. Plus, isn't he 15-20 years older than Gibbs? Gibbs hasn't done it in 12 years, so of course he's rusty, but that doesn't mean he won't get it back. Whatever you do, what would happen if you quit and did something completely different, then went back 12 years later? It would take a while to get back into it. Gibbs has already shown progress in game management and will continue, but truthfully, I don't think he will really be back in top form until next season. This year is for him to get back into the swing...which is why he hired Williams for the D to carry the team this year. We just need to have patience....but that doesn't mean we as fans cannot criticize things we don't agree with (i.e. Brunell).

[redskinsskickazz]

this is funny we do this every year listen to ourselves it takes time to build solid teams years not months and were getting better every week the reason the redskins have stunk the last 12 years is we lack patience can you name one team in the history of the nfl that has turned over its coaching staff and most of its roster every year and been a consistent winner we need to just ride out this transition untill the skins get comfortable and to qoute lombardi winning becomes habit instead of losing

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

this is funny we do this every year listen to ourselves it takes time to build solid teams years not months and were getting better every week the reason the redskins have stunk the last 12 years is we lack patience can you name one team in the history of the nfl that has turned over its coaching staff and most of its roster every year and been a consistent winner we need to just ride out this transition untill the skins get comfortable and to qoute lombardi winning becomes habit instead of losing

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

Good point!

[biggirl]

I am as frustrated as anyone, but I believe that Gibbs will turn it around...but it's not going to happen overnight. I have always been a Ramsey fan, but he might still be unlearning all the crap he had to learn under the ball coach. I think he will be the QB of the future, and I also think that future will start before the end of the season. I just hope he has lost some of the deer in the headlights look he got under Spurrier. Brunell looks bad...no doubt, but I have faith that Gibbs has a plan, and he will turn it around. Anyone that really expected he would come in and win a Superbowl was looking through rose colored glasses. I never expected more that .500 this season. So far, this is exactly what I expected. I expect Mark will be gone in a game or two. I just hope Ramsey is ready. :frusty:
As for this season, watch it go!

[redskinsskickazz]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

In a few years Brunell will be wearing depends and crapping his panties every few hours. If it takes years to turn teams around, isn't it time to get impatient with Brunell and throw Ramsey in the mix?

dont get me wrong im not a brunnell fan and i think theres a good chance that ramsey could spark our offense im just not ready to completely write off brunnell he was once too good. and some quarterbacks play well untill there late thirties or early forties but nobody has a crystal ball to see if brunnell is one of those guys

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsskickazz

dont get me wrong im not a brunnell fan and i think theres a good chance that ramsey could spark our offense im just not ready to completely write off brunnell he was once too good. and some quarterbacks play well untill there late thirties or early forties but nobody has a crystal ball to see if brunnell is one of those guys

You don't need a crystal ball to see that he isn't!