What this all means for Moss?

GhostSkins · 05-07-2008, 11:24 AM

Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

firstdown · 05-07-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostSkins

Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

Well it seemed that all of our WR's played better for Collins. JC while he did improve last year still seemed to over throw his longer passes and under throw the shorter stuff. JC also I think in some games would lock onto a WR and miss the open player down field. When we lost to the Giants I was at the game and even my wife noticed in 1/2 dozen or more plays we had someone wide open which JC just did not see. Moss also had a game or two where he just could not hang on to the football which I think he was trying to hard to play and not rlying on his natural ability.

firstdown · 05-07-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostSkins

Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

Well it seemed that all of our WR's played better for Collins. JC while he did improve last year still seemed to over throw his longer passes and under throw the shorter stuff. JC also I think in some games would lock onto a WR and miss the open player down field. When we lost to the Giants I was at the game and even my wife noticed in 1/2 dozen or more plays we had someone wide open which JC just did not see. Moss also had a game or two where he just could not hang on to the football which I think he was trying to hard to play and not rlying on his natural ability.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-07-2008, 12:16 PM

By drafting Thomas, Davis, and Kelly, the Redskins sent a message we already received loud and clear ... we needed better depth at wide receiver, Jason Campbell needed bigger targets (particularly for the red zone), and we should not count on Moss being healthy. That said, I think Moss is still capable of being pretty dominant when healthy. Moss is a fast and agile and has great ball skills.

I would think that Moss will have a 1,000+ yard season, but Antwaan and Cooley will see their production will drop slightly. Jason can only spread the ball around so much.

MTK · 05-07-2008, 01:03 PM

I don't think the QB delivery has anything to do with it. When Collins took over Moss was finally getting healthy and they just seemed to click better, probably because Collins could see the field better and make better reads.

GTripp0012 · 05-07-2008, 01:59 PM

Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year.

I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season.

MTK · 05-07-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year.

I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season.

He actually had a better year last year than he did in 2006 as far as catches and yards.

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GTripp0012 · 05-07-2008, 03:40 PM

I was comparing him to his teammates, as in the fact that he vastly outproduced every other receiver on the team in 2006, and Randle El was more productive in less time in 2007.

His traditional stats do look very similar in 06 and 07 though, he just simply dropped more passes. Catch those questionable drops, and its a great year for him. Based on that much, I think he will have a rebound season this year.

Longtimefan · 05-07-2008, 04:02 PM

Providing Moss stays healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to post numbers comparable to his 2005 season. The only uncertainty for him is injury.

The fact we signed Thomas and Kelly will only serve to strenghten the competition. Don't look for Moss or ARE to take a back seat to two rookies who still have to find their way in the league.

Much has been made of the fact we signed two receivers from the draft, but we must keep in mind we lost three receivers in Caldwell, Lloyd, and McKardell. The only receiver we have who could be in future jepordy is ARE, his salry will take a huge hike in 2009.

Depending on how swiftly Devin Thomas can develop, he's the only receiver on the roster who could possibly compete with Moss as a deep threat. Since Thomas is still a rookie, Moss's services are going to be sorely needed.

MonkFan4Life · 05-07-2008, 04:35 PM

I honsetly don't see this as a competition for who will be our number 1. Moss is. Hands down. He needed help. Before we had Moss, and that was it. Moss would be double teamed and either the QB (Brunell) never threw to anyone besides Moss or they missed him (Campbell). When healthy Moss can torch just about anyone but you need another receiver out there to garner some type of respect from the defense. Hopefully Kelly or Thomas can do that this year which will open up opportunities for Santana. Once defenses know that there is more on the field receiving wise other than Moss and Cooley then the Skins will be in a good spot. I think that Moss will have a good year, because of the help that he has now.

redsk1 · 05-07-2008, 04:43 PM

If these Rooks turn out to be decent. It can open up things for SM...alot of things. He could be in for a big year.

If he stays healthy.

pstylee · 05-07-2008, 06:47 PM

My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

GridIron26 · 05-08-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pstylee

My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

Randy Moss quit on games before..

Yes, you are right he did quit on the game but he said that he quit the game because he believed that he wasn't any use to the team due to his terrible performance? If I was a coach; I would want a player, who wants to play, on the field..

Dirtbag59 · 05-08-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pstylee

My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story.

I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

I actually admired him for that. It takes a lot of guts to say I'm hurting the team, put in someone else, especially for a star player like Santana. From what I've seen Moss always plays hard, even during the Green Bay game, so it's not like he's a quitter and on top of that I bet no one felt worse after that game then Moss himself. Plus the coaching staff should have taken Moss out to begin with.

4mrusmc · 05-07-2008, 09:38 PM

The thing that I noticed about Moss is that he goes down to easily after the first hit. That is probably due to the fact that he is a bit small.

In 2005 he was hot and a kind of an unknown in our conference, and that is why he had the good success that he enjoyed. Now, teams have done their homework on him, and have him scouted-out pretty good. He was also doubled-up alot, because we really didn't have another receiver that had playmaking potential. Hopefully that has changed now with our two draft picks.

Also, because of his lack of size, he was not a threat in the redzone, and that hurt us far too many times. We need ball hungry playmakers who have crazy heart when they are out on the field. And we need people who can be counted on to extend drives when we need it. I think Moss is a great number 2 or 3 wideout, but not a number 1 or your prototypical possesion type receiver. If he continues to have injury issues and games where he does not give it his all, then he needs to go. I hope that he can still contribute for us.

05-07-2008, 11:24 AM	#1
GhostSkins Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2008 Location: Where ever the US sends me, right now Iraq Posts: 6	Re: What this all means for Moss? Has anyone else noticed that Satana Moss makes most of his plays going up for high jump balls? Bare with me a sec, When Brunell was shotputing the ball because he could not throw on a straight line further than 5 yards down the field in 2005 and Collins was lofting the ball at the end of last year Moss was having his biggest impact outplaying DBs for the ball. Cambell's ball is more on a rope and does not give Moss the time to do what he does best, adjust to the ball and go up for the catch. I know injury played a role in Moss's 2007, but I got the feeling that he responded better to Collins' passes that looked like punts than he did to JC's passes that were on a rope 30 yards down the field.

05-07-2008, 12:16 PM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: What this all means for Moss? By drafting Thomas, Davis, and Kelly, the Redskins sent a message we already received loud and clear ... we needed better depth at wide receiver, Jason Campbell needed bigger targets (particularly for the red zone), and we should not count on Moss being healthy. That said, I think Moss is still capable of being pretty dominant when healthy. Moss is a fast and agile and has great ball skills. I would think that Moss will have a 1,000+ yard season, but Antwaan and Cooley will see their production will drop slightly. Jason can only spread the ball around so much.

05-07-2008, 01:03 PM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: What this all means for Moss? I don't think the QB delivery has anything to do with it. When Collins took over Moss was finally getting healthy and they just seemed to click better, probably because Collins could see the field better and make better reads. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

05-07-2008, 01:59 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: What this all means for Moss? Moss isn't totally useless when banged up, and he had a poor year last year. I mean, he was banged up in 2006 and did just fine. He'll never be as good as he was in 2005 again, and very few will, but he can be our No. 1 outside target even when he's hurt. We just need him to hold on to the ball better than he did last season. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

05-07-2008, 03:40 PM	#8
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: What this all means for Moss? I was comparing him to his teammates, as in the fact that he vastly outproduced every other receiver on the team in 2006, and Randle El was more productive in less time in 2007. His traditional stats do look very similar in 06 and 07 though, he just simply dropped more passes. Catch those questionable drops, and its a great year for him. Based on that much, I think he will have a rebound season this year. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

05-07-2008, 04:02 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: What this all means for Moss? Providing Moss stays healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to post numbers comparable to his 2005 season. The only uncertainty for him is injury. The fact we signed Thomas and Kelly will only serve to strenghten the competition. Don't look for Moss or ARE to take a back seat to two rookies who still have to find their way in the league. Much has been made of the fact we signed two receivers from the draft, but we must keep in mind we lost three receivers in Caldwell, Lloyd, and McKardell. The only receiver we have who could be in future jepordy is ARE, his salry will take a huge hike in 2009. Depending on how swiftly Devin Thomas can develop, he's the only receiver on the roster who could possibly compete with Moss as a deep threat. Since Thomas is still a rookie, Moss's services are going to be sorely needed.

05-07-2008, 04:35 PM	#10
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 48 Posts: 1,851	Re: What this all means for Moss? I honsetly don't see this as a competition for who will be our number 1. Moss is. Hands down. He needed help. Before we had Moss, and that was it. Moss would be double teamed and either the QB (Brunell) never threw to anyone besides Moss or they missed him (Campbell). When healthy Moss can torch just about anyone but you need another receiver out there to garner some type of respect from the defense. Hopefully Kelly or Thomas can do that this year which will open up opportunities for Santana. Once defenses know that there is more on the field receiving wise other than Moss and Cooley then the Skins will be in a good spot. I think that Moss will have a good year, because of the help that he has now. __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

05-07-2008, 04:43 PM	#11
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: What this all means for Moss? If these Rooks turn out to be decent. It can open up things for SM...alot of things. He could be in for a big year. If he stays healthy.

05-07-2008, 06:47 PM	#12
pstylee Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oak harbor, WA Posts: 12	Re: What this all means for Moss? My only thing with Moss is this. He himself said he "Quit" in the Green Bay game. What kind of message does this send to the team and to the Rookies. That it's ok to quit, because the game isn't going your way. Overall he is a great WR when healthy, and with him, ARE, Cooley, and anyone of the Rooks out there, I see his numbers (YAC, and TD's) increasing, b/c its his style of game. Let him catch, and run. But I lost lots of respect for him in the Green Bay game. I mean seriously even TO doesn't quit on games, he just sucks but thats a different story. I just hope that he will be able to bounce back, and with less pressure from opposing defenses on him this year I believe that we will see a good WR in him again.

05-07-2008, 09:38 PM	#15
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: What this all means for Moss? The thing that I noticed about Moss is that he goes down to easily after the first hit. That is probably due to the fact that he is a bit small. In 2005 he was hot and a kind of an unknown in our conference, and that is why he had the good success that he enjoyed. Now, teams have done their homework on him, and have him scouted-out pretty good. He was also doubled-up alot, because we really didn't have another receiver that had playmaking potential. Hopefully that has changed now with our two draft picks. Also, because of his lack of size, he was not a threat in the redzone, and that hurt us far too many times. We need ball hungry playmakers who have crazy heart when they are out on the field. And we need people who can be counted on to extend drives when we need it. I think Moss is a great number 2 or 3 wideout, but not a number 1 or your prototypical possesion type receiver. If he continues to have injury issues and games where he does not give it his all, then he needs to go. I hope that he can still contribute for us.

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