Time to extend Jason Campbell?

[DiehardSkin88]

not to mention jc's been on the opposite spectrum of that, hes had a different offense to learn 7 years

[4mrusmc]

I'm more inclined to say no. As much as I hope that Jason is the answer at qb, he has yet to instill that confidence at the position. This is his 4th year to show massive improvement from years past. Barring any injury he should be given every opportuntiy to do well. But, it depends on him, he killed us at the end of games with untimely ints., and that does nothing to prove to your teamates that you can come from behind and win games. He also needs to manage games better, and hopefully with a new coaching philosyphy that can be done. This season will be a litmus test for him and others.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by DiehardSkin88

not to mention jc's been on the opposite spectrum of that, hes had a different offense to learn 7 years

I think that storyline is overplayed. The guy can either do it or not. There shouldn't be a qualifier excuse if he doesn't pan out. Either the guy can adapt to his surroundings or not.

Any professional quarterback should have certain intangibles that he can bring to any offense. He's getting paid a professional salary, he should be able to adapt without excuses.

I've never heard Campbell complain about it himself and I don't like idea of people making exuses on his behalf.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Please learn to comprehend, the comparison of the offenses was to show the similarities between Gibbs, and Saunders so to rule out the new offense excuse that is constantly used for Campbell, it wasnt a drastically changed new offense, every coach will have variations on how a specific offense is run, but the foundation of the offense is the same. JUST LIKE THE WCO OFFENSE WHICH IS A BASIC PHILOSOPHY BUT VARIES FROM COACH TO COACH.

Who cares why Collins was starting? He did, and he ran the offense far beyond anything we have seen from Campbell, and Collins is a nobody in the realm of NFL QB's. Which brings us back to Campbells ability to run an NFL offense efficiently, and he hasn't so far.



So when did Campbell put up 35 points? But I guess you have figured out that it was all the WR's fault, the same WR's who actually started to produce when Collins took over.

It sounds to me like you have Campbell figured out to be something more than he has shown, he is what he is, a 4th year QB who has performed so far very sub par.

When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

Dude, why don't you just start your own semi-pro franchise. You can send the Danny a 50 million dollar check to sell the rights to a 37 yr old QB, and then you can pay him like ten million dollars a year to be the cornerstone of your team.

I'm sure you'd be very successful.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.

I did some homework to see if your opinion held any water and this is what I came up with.

In Campbell's 13 starts he averaged 217.4 yards passing per game. The offense as a whole averaged 358 yards per game during that time.

As for Collins in his 4 regular season games he averaged 213.5 yards passing per game. Meanwhile the offense averaged 343 yards per game during that time.

The biggest discrepancy came in points per game. Campbell averaged 17.6 (slightly skewed due to 0 points scored in the game vs. Chicago when he went down) in the lineup while Collins averaged 26.3. I'm guessing a good reason for this could have been more aggressive playcalling in the redzone when Collins was in the lineup.

But other than that your opinion that Campbell couldn't move the ball doesn't really make sense. He was clearly able to move the ball slightly better than Collins, but it appears that Collins was more effective at getting the ball into the end zone. Again, perhaps a function of the playcalling in the redzone.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Dude, why don't you just start your own semi-pro franchise. You can send the Danny a 50 million dollar check to sell the rights to a 37 yr old QB, and then you can pay him like ten million dollars a year to be the cornerstone of your team.

I'm sure you'd be very successful.

Whatever that's supposed to mean??????????????????????????????

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I did some homework to see if your opinion held any water and this is what I came up with.

In Campbell's 13 starts he averaged 217.4 yards passing per game. The offense as a whole averaged 358 yards per game during that time.

As for Collins in his 4 regular season games he averaged 213.5 yards passing per game. Meanwhile the offense averaged 343 yards per game during that time.

The biggest discrepancy came in points per game. Campbell averaged 17.6 (slightly skewed due to 0 points scored in the game vs. Chicago when he went down) in the lineup while Collins averaged 26.3. I'm guessing a good reason for this could have been more aggressive playcalling in the redzone when Collins was in the lineup.

But other than that your opinion that Campbell couldn't move the ball doesn't really make sense. He was clearly able to move the ball slightly better than Collins, but it appears that Collins was more effective at getting the ball into the end zone. Again, perhaps a function of the play calling in the red zone.

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I thought it was pretty obvious that the playcalling was more aggressive with Collins in the lineup and rightfully so. He knew the offense inside and out, while Campbell was in his 2nd season in it.

If it wasn't playcalling then what was it? Because the stats simply don't support your claim that JC couldn't move the ball.

[SmootSmack]

Jason Campbell certainly needs to continue to improve. Those late game interceptions he threw against Dallas and Tampa need to turn into touchdowns. Will he make mistakes again? Sure, every QB does. But they need to be few and far between.

Who knows if we would have made the playoffs had Campbell been the QB? Collins did a great job leading the team down the stretch. But then again, everyone stepped it up down the stretch.

I'm sure confidence in the QB played a part (why shouldn't it, Collins probably knows the Saunders offense better than Saunders himself), but so did inspired post-tragedy play, healthy players, players getting more accustomed to playing the system and playing with each other. See: Reche Caldwell getting key catches as he got more familiar with the offense and got some playing time; Fabini and Heyer getting comfortable playing together on the right side (and Wade being benched!). And not to mention that Joe Gibbs is one of the best December coaches ever, and almost always sets his teams up to finish strong.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Can anyone here see the difference in our offense between the 2?

More aggressive play calling? Come on! Who you kidding, I can't believe the excuses being laid out for Campbell, it's every ones fault but him, so what if he moved the ball outside the red zone [occasionally] stats can get awfully scewed as well, bottom line our offense was playing with confidence under Collins, not with Campbell, does anyone really think we make the playoffs last season if Campbell doesn't go down?

I can't believe your continued defense of a weak and wrong (as many have shown in this thread) argument. As SC Fan so eloquently put it, we're "casting pearls before swine".

I can't wait for the season, I'll definitely be referring back to this thread....weekly.

[prinzeofmoval]

Its only clear we don't have a great Qb. I liked Jason coming out of the draft but he has yet to show me something. We haven't had a quarterback since well like 15 years. lets go down the list of flunkies..Campbell can't close the door on a game if his hands were glued to it. Mark brunell was scared to throw it further then 6 yards and inside the hash marks. Patrick Ramsey what were we thinking? Trent Green was one of the ones who got away and we didn't really groom correctly he was the one who got away. Jeff George was passed his time. Oh yeah didn't an another idiot qb hurt his neck hitting a concrete wall? I rest my case. The times we have won is when we played some smashmouthed defense and run the ball down their throats. I don't see no big reason to sign this kid until he proves himself.

[MTK]

Anyone wanna take a guess as to who HOGTIMUS PRIME really is?

Check out some of his other posts, it's not too hard to figure out if you've been around here a while.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Anyone wanna take a guess as to who HOGTIMUS PRIME really is?

Check out some of his other posts, it's not too hard to figure out if you've been around here a while.

Well let me take two shots....like at the carnival, you just can't stop at one. offiss or whatever it is OR irish! Sorry guys but hope I'm right and its at least one of you two.......LOL