Spurrier Absolved?

[djnemo65]

You guys are quick to criticize spurrier, and he does deserve it of course, but the bigger problem was his supporting coaching staff. The change from george edwards to greg williams demonstrates that. If we had had this defense last year, we would have had a shot to make the playoffs. I think that Chris Mortenson's article last week did a pretty good job demonstrating that this is the consensus among many GM's.

As for Spurrier leaving lasting divisions in team unity, I think that's absurd. The problem with this team is not togetherness. In fact its not that mysterious what's wrong - its poor qb play, a spotty o line, and inexplicable offensive gameplanning.

Finally, to argue that this once again vaunted team once again sucking doesn't take heat off of spurier doesn't make much sense to me. Clearly, they have issues that transcend the limitations of the fun n' gun.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

You guys are quick to criticize spurrier, and he does deserve it of course, but the bigger problem was his supporting coaching staff. The change from george edwards to greg williams demonstrates that. If we had had this defense last year, we would have had a shot to make the playoffs. I think that Chris Mortenson's article last week did a pretty good job demonstrating that this is the consensus among many GM's.

As for Spurrier leaving lasting divisions in team unity, I think that's absurd. The problem with this team is not togetherness. In fact its not that mysterious what's wrong - its poor qb play, a spotty o line, and inexplicable offensive gameplanning.

Finally, to argue that this once again vaunted team once again sucking doesn't take heat off of spurier doesn't make much sense to me. Clearly, they have issues that transcend the limitations of the fun n' gun.

I wholeheartedly disagree on the first point. We had Marvin Lewis in Spurrier's first year and we finished at .500. Now I haven't read Mortenson's article from last week, but to me we had a better team in '02 than in '03.

I do agree with you that it's poor play by the qb and offensive line as well as curious gameplanning that seems to be the problem. Too much inconsistency in those two areas has just damned us. Brunell hasn't shown that he can complete any pass with any consistency, witness his yds per attempt and the failure to complete 3rd downs.

The game is pretty simple, stop people on 3rd down and convert your own. We've been in games because our defense has been stellar in getting off the field on 3rd downs, as good as any Skins defense I've ever seen. But with our offense consistently unable to convert 3rd and anything we are sunk.

Warm up Ramsey, it's almost that time.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

I wholeheartedly disagree on the first point. We had Marvin Lewis in Spurrier's first year and we finished at .500. Now I haven't read Mortenson's article from last week, but to me we had a better team in '02 than in '03.

I do agree with you that it's poor play by the qb and offensive line as well as curious gameplanning that seems to be the problem. Too much inconsistency in those two areas has just damned us. Brunell hasn't shown that he can complete any pass with any consistency, witness his yds per attempt and the failure to complete 3rd downs.

The game is pretty simple, stop people on 3rd down and convert your own. We've been in games because our defense has been stellar in getting off the field on 3rd downs, as good as any Skins defense I've ever seen. But with our offense consistently unable to convert 3rd and anything we are sunk.

Warm up Ramsey, it's almost that time.

I think you are kind of proving my point. With Marvin Lewis we had a top 10 defense (were we seventh?) and finished 7-9. Without him we were 5-11, in spite of adding more talent. Had Marvin Lewis not gotten the Cincinatti job, it would have been interesting to see how the team would have been.

[SkinsRock]

There were a number of games last year where we had the lead into the 4th quarter, but the D could not hold on. So I'll give some credence to the fact that a better D-coordinator like Lewis or Williams would have given us at least 2-3 more wins.
That said, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Gibbs and this year's team. The team attitude is so much better, even with a miserable 2-5 record. They want to stick it outand pull out of this funk together, and that is a direct reflection of their coach. Spurrier would be saying he doesn't know what to do right about now....if not already.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I think you are kind of proving my point. With Marvin Lewis we had a top 10 defense (were we seventh?) and finished 7-9. Without him we were 5-11, in spite of adding more talent. Had Marvin Lewis not gotten the Cincinatti job, it would have been interesting to see how the team would have been.

Lewis wasn't going to fix the major protection problems we had on offense though.

Spurrier was supposed to be an offensive genius, instead he was very overmatched by NFL defensive coordinators who read his offense like a children's book.

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Lewis wasn't going to fix the major protection problems we had on offense though.

Spurrier was supposed to be an offensive genius, instead he was very overmatched by NFL defensive coordinators who read his offense like a children's book.

and they're reading gibbs' offense like one right now too... i think that in time spurrier would have been successful, just like i hope/think gibbs will be