Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So if we did move Evans up to starter who would back him up then?

James, Jackson, Wilson and pick up someone off the waiver wire.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

James, Jackson, Wilson and pick up someone off the waiver wire.

Are you out of your mind?
James in injured, Jackson is a nobody, Wilson is strictly a pass specialist.
We needed a valid starter, options were limited to zero.

I'm not thrilled about giving up a 2 but we really didn't have any other options rather than hoping one of our guys (or a FA) suddenly got 2-3 times more effective overnight

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you out of your mind?
James in injured, Jackson is a nobody, Wilson is strictly a pass specialist.
We needed a valid starter, options were limited to zero.

I'm not thrilled about giving up a 2 but we really didn't have any other options rather than hoping one of our guys (or a FA) suddenly got 2-3 times more effective overnight

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and is a solid back-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and solid bac-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

The problem is that you're not really being consistent with your use of the term "quick fix." What if James were ready to play, is that a "quick fix?" What if we had traded for Taylor earlier in the offseason? Would he not be a quick fix then? I just don't follow what you're saying.

As for Jackson, he was a 7th round draft pick this year. It's asking a whole lot for him to play a bunch of snaps this year. I'm aware of what Marques Colston did, but to ask that of anyone is a bit much.

On the topic of James, I don't think this was a situation where the Skins were looking for him to start the season at LE. He may not be able to play at all this year. That's not really a big deal, this was a low risk trade from the beginning. I don't see the problem if he doesn't play this year.

From what I saw last year, I don't ever want to see Marcus Washington with his hand on the ground again. I thought he was horribly ineffective last season. It seemed that he, more often than not, got stone walled and got his hands up.

I think the big thing is that the Skins had an opportunity to get a difference maker on the defensive line and did it. I would have made this trade even without the injury to Philip Daniels. It would have made the line deeper, Daniels can move inside and that would have been invaluable. I would have preferred a group of versatile players, but that's not what the Skins have. One thing I can pretty much guarantee is that Evans + Williams would not have been as effective as Jason Taylor.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The problem is that you're not really being consistent with your use of the term "quick fix." What if James were ready to play, is that a "quick fix?" What if we had traded for Taylor earlier in the offseason? Would he not be a quick fix then? I just don't follow what you're saying.

As for Jackson, he was a 7th round draft pick this year. It's asking a whole lot for him to play a bunch of snaps this year. I'm aware of what Marques Colston did, but to ask that of anyone is a bit much.

On the topic of James, I don't think this was a situation where the Skins were looking for him to start the season at LE. He may not be able to play at all this year. That's not really a big deal, this was a low risk trade from the beginning. I don't see the problem if he doesn't play this year.

From what I saw last year, I don't ever want to see Marcus Washington with his hand on the ground again. I thought he was horribly ineffective last season. It seemed that he, more often than not, got stone walled and got his hands up.

I think the big thing is that the Skins had an opportunity to get a difference maker on the defensive line and did it. I would have made this trade even without the injury to Philip Daniels. It would have made the line deeper, Daniels can move inside and that would have been invaluable. I would have preferred a group of versatile players, but that's not what the Skins have. One thing I can pretty much guarantee is that Evans + Williams would not have been as effective as Jason Taylor.

It's a quick fix cause Taylor is at the tail end of his career and probably isn't going to play but one or two more years. If we have a bad year I bet he is one and done.

As far as the other guys use them in a rotation. I don't think any of them are full time guys but rotate them.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's a quick fix cause Taylor is at the tail end of his career and probably isn't going to play but one or two more years. If we have a bad year I bet he is one and done.

As far as the other guys use them in a rotation. I don't think any of them are full time guys but rotate them.

Okay, I see your point. I think that's fair, but for me, it's more of a "is Jason Taylor better than a rotation of the other guys on the roster?" For me that answer is definitely, he does. While I'm pretty sure no one disagrees with that, I don't believe Cerrato just made up this idea that he thinks Jason will play for a few seasons with the Skins. If he's right, that's great, if not, I'll revisit my feelings on this trade then.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and is a solid back-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

I think it's quite possible the new d-line coach is doing what Buges did with Heyer. He's got his starters, and he's got his projects. One might turn into a potential starter next year (like Heyer did), and there you go -- we developed the guys we brought in, and we also got JT to help get us there. Also, let's not lose sight of the value that JT provides to our younger d-linemen.

In the end, it's all about moderation -- develop some guys, and also get some guys that don't need development.