Mattyk72 presents: The Warpath Zornometer Poll™

[Schneed10]

I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I refuse to give him anything other than a 3.

If you've held two weeks of training camp and you've coached in one preseason game, you haven't done SHIT. Any coach can look good doing that stuff (remember how we felt about Spurrier after his preseason performance?) The reason I have to give him a 3 is actually embedded in Matty's opening post in this thread, it's way too early to rate him at all. 3's neutral, so I give him a 3.

Ask me after week 8 of the NFL season and I'll give a very thoughtful response.

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

Because you put a poll up asking for an opinion. And I'm a blowhard who can't keep his opinion to himself!

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

On this point I totally agree. The major difference is Zorn has actually coached in the NFL (for a long time, under one of the best head coaches). I like the decisions he and Vinny have made in the offseason. He seems totally organized and totally in charge of the team. He's played QB in the NFL (rather successfully) so I don't think he'll get flustered in pressure situations. I can see him being very successful.

But one of the best coaches the NFL has ever seen came back to the game in 2004, and my confidence level was at a 10 out of 5. And we were not good in the first season.

Granted, we're more talented now, and deeper. So I'm hopeful. But if Joe Gibbs goes 6-10 in his first year, I'm hesitant to get too excited about Jim Zorn until I see more from him. Seeing will be believing for me.

I'm optimistic, but guarded.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he hasn't done shit why are you grading him at all?

You have to admit this feels different than Spurrier. I think people looked past alot of things with ball coach initially. His opening presser was a huge warning sign that most of us ignored when he called out other coaches for putting in too many hours.

Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, a huge difference between Zorn and Spurrier (apart from the mass influx of Gators) is the support staff that Zorn has. A lot of people kept dismissing Snyder and Cerrato's talk of consistency but it really can't be overlooked how much of the staff was retained; veteran coaches who have been not only in the NFL, but with the Redskins for several years so they knew the culture and expectations at Redskins Park. The presence of guys like Bugel, Blache, Gray, and Hixon I believe really has helped Zorn make the transition. That's a benefit that Spurrier did not have, largely by his own choosing though.

good point