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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about Gibbs' second stint? Did that tarnish his legacy? His bust is still in Canton from what I saw.

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

You have to take into account what team he took over in 2004 when he came here. As far as I'm concerned he took as out of the dark ages since now we can discuss making the playoffs as a benchmark/realistic goal for Zorn.

Plus, look at the guys Gibbs brought here, look at this draft picks -- essentially the reason why we are able to compete again in the NFC East.

I would even say that Gibbs presence calmed down Dan Synder TREMENDOUSLY. He learned he could put trust in other people and that he didn't have to have his hand in every move the organization made.

I think in the long term Gibbs legacy will be bringing respectability back to the Redskins, while he certainly wasn't as dominating as during his first stint, he definitely showed why he belongs in the HOF.

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Tactically it may tarnish his image slightly. But don't forget the evolution of the Air Coryell offense into what it is today is largely because of Gibbs.

Overall, absolutely not. Keep in mind the sorry state of the Redskins franchise before he came back. 2 playoff appearances in the last 3 years ain't bad, when we were pretty much a punchline for a few years. I think the lasting effect will be Snyder learning true leadership at the foot of Joe Gibbs and IMO it will translate into SB hardware sooner rather than later.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Seems a little myopic to judge him on winning % alone or one critical mistake (I thought he made up for that with the challenge against the Vikings for too many men on the field) but that's your opinion.

To me there's a much bigger picture to look at as far as his impact on the organization and his guidance through the Taylor tragedy.