I believe Zorn belongs

[mredskins]

I feel like every year around this time we are so pumped for the up coming season but a lot of it is propaganda. I am really not trying to be a Debbie Downer but this is the time of year where teams try to make you think they are going to be so awesome.

I agree JZ looks like a nice guy but in reality what could he have done at this point to make us think he is going to suck. Really nothing he has had no opportunities.

If you you read anything on Redskins.com and get pumped you are fooling yourself. I actually avoid that web site.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I feel like every year around this time we are so pumped for the up coming season but a lot of it is propaganda. I am really not trying to be a Debbie Downer but this is the time of year where teams try to make you think they are going to be so awesome.

I agree JZ looks like a nice guy but in reality what could he have done at this point to make us think he is going to suck. Really nothing he has had no opportunities.

If you you read anything on Redskins.com and get pumped you are fooling yourself. I actually avoid that web site.

This team is different then thoughs of years past. We don't have Danny Wuerfull or Jeff George as our quarterbacks. We don't have Rod Gardner or Michael Westbrook as our recievers. We don't have a former Cowboy offensive coordinator as our head coach. We don't have a college system in place at the NFL Level.

Its different dude. It took a Hall of Fame head coach to make it different too!

Don't get me wrong. I hear where you are coming from, but you have to see that this team is a different one. As Gibbs said when he was stepping down, "I don't want to say anything that will get the next coach in trouble, but we have the things in place here to do the things that we want to do." (its a loose quote).

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Miller101

This team is different then thoughs of years past. We don't have Danny Wuerfull or Jeff George as our quarterbacks.

True, instead we have a young qb that hasn't proven anything at all. (granted he has potential but that's what people thought of Danny Wuerffel being a "system" qb). Jeff George was the vet like Collins is. Not all dissimilar.

We don't have Rod Gardner or Michael Westbrook as our recievers.

No, but we do have an extremely underachieving Santana Moss (or he was an overachiever in the past showing his true colors now), and Randle El who is getting paid like a #1 performing like #3. Again, not all that dissimilar.

We don't have a former Cowboy offensive coordinator as our head coach.

Nope, instead, we have an OC that has no OC experience.

We don't have a college system in place at the NFL Level.

No, instead we have a guy running the show that has never done anything more than be a QB coach at the NFL level. Spurrier was supposed to be a QB Genius, Zorn is a QB guru. Again, not all dissimilar.

Its different dude. It took a Hall of Fame head coach to make it different too!

Of course it's different, it's many years later, but it's similar in the way that we (the fans) are approaching this season. Unrelenting optimism.
Don't get me wrong...I am there too saying all the right things, because I am hoping they all come true. I am not trying to be a "debbie downer" either, but I was admittedly a HUGE...MASSIVE Spurrier fan...that is until he actually started the season. Then I figured "he'd get it", and of course he didn't. I stayed on that bandwagon until the wheels fell off and it caught on fire, and ultimately blew up into a million pieces. That being said, I am on the Zorn bandwagon, but I am not steering the wagon at all.
I like our team, but I am not thinking we are a lock for anything. I've heard players talk about "they love the system", or "we are looking good this year" only to come out and suck. We are exactly 1 preseason game into the Zorn tenure people. I love the optimism, I really do, that's what makes us Redskins fans all alike, but can we please wait until we see Zorn when it matters before we give him the key to the city?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jsarno

True, instead we have a young qb that hasn't proven anything at all. (granted he has potential but that's what people thought of Danny Wuerffel being a "system" qb). Jeff George was the vet like Collins is. Not all dissimilar.
This is the probably the first and last time George and Collins are used in the same sentence. Collins is the consummate pro and team player, George-not so much

No, but we do have an extremely underachieving Santana Moss (or he was an overachiever in the past showing his true colors now), and Randle El who is getting paid like a #1 performing like #3. Again, not all that dissimilar.
I think 32 of 32 teams would consider Moss and Randel-El an upgrade over 50-50- Gardner and Westbroke


Nope, instead, we have an OC that has no OC experience.

No, instead we have a guy running the show that has never done anything more than be a QB coach at the NFL level. Spurrier was supposed to be a QB Genius, Zorn is a QB guru. Again, not all dissimilar.
The big thing you're missing is the Holmgren tree. Spurrier was a self made and appointed genius. Zorn has come from a strong lineage of successful coaches that followed a similar path. If you heard Cerrato on Sirius NFL Radio this week, he said that Zorn's practices are identical to the practices that he saw Bill Walsh run in SF. Following a proven method of success can compensate for lack of 'experience'

There are naysayers and justifiably so until Zorn proves his worth, but those same naysayers universally overlook 3 important points:
1. Zorn inherits a playoff team that is largely unchanged in roster and coaching staff/philosphy. I'm on record saying that Gregg Williams will not be missed! With the addition of Taylor, improvement of Landry and health of Rogers, McIntosh and Springs, we will be just fine.

2. For all the talk of us playing in the toughest division in football, we are not St. Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Last year we had 2nd half leads in ALL 6 NFC East games (and blew half of them). To further make the point, with the exception of the game in Dallas where we trailed by one at the start of the 4th quarter, we had 4th quarter in every division game.

3. We had 2nd half leads in 12 of 16 games last year and were only truly out of 1 game, New England. We have the talent to play with anybody on any given Sunday.

Far be it for me to say 'have no doubts about this season' but from where I sit, there is more to be excited about than to be concerned with.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

2. For all the talk of us playing in the toughest division in football, we are not St. Mary's Sisters of the Poor. Last year we had 2nd half leads in ALL 6 NFC East games (and blew half of them). To further make the point, with the exception of the game in Dallas where we trailed by one at the start of the 4th quarter, we had 4th quarter in every division game.

3. We had 2nd half leads in 12 of 16 games last year and were only truly out of 1 game, New England. We have the talent to play with anybody on any given Sunday.

PLEASE!!!!!!!!! don't ever let me see a PREEVENT..anything.....ever ......again........

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I feel like every year around this time we are so pumped for the up coming season but a lot of it is propaganda. I am really not trying to be a Debbie Downer but this is the time of year where teams try to make you think they are going to be so awesome.

I agree JZ looks like a nice guy but in reality what could he have done at this point to make us think he is going to suck. Really nothing he has had no opportunities.

If you you read anything on Redskins.com and get pumped you are fooling yourself. I actually avoid that web site.

Well the product he put on the field last Sunday in such a short time showed that the team was well coached up this point. I'm not saying that because we won but because of the little things that all players even the scrubs showed. We did not have the confusion on the side lines and getting plays in, guys seemed to be on the same page, few penalties and most came latter with the scrubs, 3 starting QB's had two incompletions etc... While on the subject of only two imcomplete passes. QB's have two imcompletions in practice when they are just running plays with no D so even if they had the scrubs on D thats still great work. I'm not saying that he is going to be a great coach from one preseason game but the signs were there that he is doing a great job so far.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well the product he put on the field last Sunday in such a short time showed that the team was well coached up this point. I'm not saying that because we won but because of the little things that all players even the scrubs showed. We did not have the confusion on the side lines and getting plays in, guys seemed to be on the same page, few penalties and most came latter with the scrubs, 3 starting QB's had two incompletions etc... While on the subject of only two imcomplete passes. QB's have two imcompletions in practice when they are just running plays with no D so even if they had the scrubs on D thats still great work. I'm not saying that he is going to be a great coach from one preseason game but the signs were there that he is doing a great job so far.

I'll agree about the product he put on the field last Sunday. He did very well, and it was impressive, so far.