Early Cut list, or Please Get Off My Team

[FRPLG]

I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think McMullen looks way ahead of others at WR right now. Granted he is getting open against scrubs but at least he is getting open.

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Good point, but I think McMullen didn't apply himself before because he thought he was great and didn't need to put in the extra work to raise his game to NFL standards. For what it's worth, I think he has a lot of improvements he could still make and for the first time realizes how much work an NFL player must put in. Don't forget, the Giants thought Mix had maxed.

In listening to Joey Sunshine and Mike Patrick last night (BIG grain of salt), they seem to think McMullen has realized this may be his last real shot in the NFL, and he's seriously stepped up every aspect of his game. I hope he's right. He's definitely more talented than Mix, he's just never lived up to his potential or draft status.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

As good a McMullen was in college you have to think that if he ever gets into a good situation with his head on straight he'll be a productive #3 type guy. He seems better mentally now and his position right is hard to beat. Also he is just one of those guys that feels alike a "gut". In other words he just seems like he is going to be a valuable piece for us while the other guys feel like just that "other guys".

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the experience he has in the NFL and with the WCO he should be ahead of others right now. The question in my mind really is the best you'll get out of McMullen and do you want someone who has essentially plateaued or take a chance that someone like Mix has the upside to surpass where McMullen is now, sooner rather than later.

Right, Mix might still have the edge over McMullen based on his age and perceived potential. Should be a good battle to keep an eye on.

[T.O.Killa]

I think everyone is forgetting that Geisinger, Justin is our only back up center. I was hoping that Crummey would be this guy, but it does not look like he is even getting a chance to play center. I think that who ever is the second string center is a lock to make the team. I think right now, that makes Geisinger a lock.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I think everyone is forgetting that Geisinger, Justin is our only back up center. I was hoping that Crummey would be this guy, but it does not look like he is even getting a chance to play center. I think that who ever is the second string center is a lock to make the team. I think right now, that makes Geisinger a lock.

Isn't Rinehart able to play center as well?

[DirtyLandry]

Tryon is the one draft pick that I didnt like. He might be fast but he's 5'8" and lacks good coverage skills. Don't know what vinny was thinking there.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Tryon is the one draft pick that I didnt like. He might be fast but he's 5'8" and lacks good coverage skills. Don't know what vinny was thinking there.

I wonder why we passed on Orlando Scandrick, who was eventually drafted by the Cowboys.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, Mix might still have the edge over McMullen based on his age and perceived potential. Should be a good battle to keep an eye on.

I would have to disagree -- there's potential, and then there's results. So far, Billy McMullen has produced results in the form of getting open and catching passes, while Anthony Mix has produced exactly nothing.

Someone will have to show me where Mix is such a great special teamer, because I haven't seen it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I would have to disagree -- there's potential, and then there's results. So far, Billy McMullen has produced results in the form of getting open and catching passes, while Anthony Mix has produced exactly nothing.

Someone will have to show me where Mix is such a great special teamer, because I haven't seen it.

I agree, I'm just throwing out a possible reason that Mix could still make the cut.

As for his play on special teams check the Bears game from last year.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I would have to disagree -- there's potential, and then there's results. So far, Billy McMullen has produced results in the form of getting open and catching passes, while Anthony Mix has produced exactly nothing.

Someone will have to show me where Mix is such a great special teamer, because I haven't seen it.

Well, as for results, McMullen has done fine against scrubs in preseason. Unlike Mix, however, McMullen has had opportunities to start in the regular season and has failed at his previous stops. Additionally, his previous failures were on receiver hungry teams - Philadelphia and Minnesota - so it's not like he was the victim of a numbers game. Finally, his success in Zorn's offense up to this point is due in part to the fact that he is familiar with the WCO (even he admits this). Based on all this, I think McMullen will have to do more than "play well" against second teamers to impress. For him, that has to be the bare minimum. Given his history, McMullen needs to play well against starters and dominate the second teamers.

As for Mix, I think the buzz is gone for him. It doesn't seem that he has impressed the coaching staff too much. Unlike McMullen who has a history of failure and needed to overcome it, Mix has no history. As such, at this point in his career, Mix has needed to step up, show that he has finally made the adjustment to the pro game, and "play well" against the scrubs. He hasn't done that. I am thinking his hype was just the latest warpath man crush.

Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if neither made the final cut.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, as for results, McMullen has done fine against scrubs in preseason. Unlike Mix, however, McMullen has had opportunities to start in the regular season and has failed at his previous stops. Additionally, his previous failures were on receiver hungry teams - Philadelphia and Minnesota - so it's not like he was the victim of a numbers game. Finally, his success in Zorn's offense up to this point is due in part to the fact that he is familiar with the WCO (even he admits this). Based on all this, I think McMullen will have to do more than "play well" against second teamers to impress. For him, that has to be the bare minimum. Given his history, McMullen needs to play well against starters and dominate the second teamers.

As for Mix, I think the buzz is gone for him. It doesn't seem that he has impressed the coaching staff too much. Unlike McMullen who has a history of failure and needed to overcome it, Mix has no history. As such, at this point in his career, Mix has needed to step up, show that he has finally made the adjustment to the pro game, and "play well" against the scrubs. He hasn't done that. I am thinking his hype was just the latest warpath man crush.

Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if neither made the final cut.

Good assessment. If there's a tough decision to make at another position and they go w/5 wr's, they both are definitely not in. for both of them there only hope is a 6 wr roster.

Mix was great on the kickoff coverage team last year. for that reason danny smith might lobby for him to stay.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, as for results, McMullen has done fine against scrubs in preseason. Unlike Mix, however, McMullen has had opportunities to start in the regular season and has failed at his previous stops. Additionally, his previous failures were on receiver hungry teams - Philadelphia and Minnesota - so it's not like he was the victim of a numbers game. Finally, his success in Zorn's offense up to this point is due in part to the fact that he is familiar with the WCO (even he admits this). Based on all this, I think McMullen will have to do more than "play well" against second teamers to impress. For him, that has to be the bare minimum. Given his history, McMullen needs to play well against starters and dominate the second teamers.

As for Mix, I think the buzz is gone for him. It doesn't seem that he has impressed the coaching staff too much. Unlike McMullen who has a history of failure and needed to overcome it, Mix has no history. As such, at this point in his career, Mix has needed to step up, show that he has finally made the adjustment to the pro game, and "play well" against the scrubs. He hasn't done that. I am thinking his hype was just the latest warpath man crush.

Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if neither made the final cut.

McMullen can't choose which tier of players he lines up against. If he's facing only the scrubs, then that's by the design of his coaches, and all he can do is perform the best that he can despite the level of competition from the opposition.

The more I hear, it looks as though there will be six receivers -- and if the roster cut-down were today, I don't see any other wideout that's ahead of him.