Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny, me as a Republican can start a thread about Obama's speach and how he did a great job but you cannot even admit that Sarah had a great speech. I guess its the hate that the Dems show.

Yeah she made a great speech. Too bad the Republican party just gave us eight years of the worst President in our great history and the party line at the GOP convention is all about how the Republicans are going to bring change to Washington. What an absolute joke. Good luck with that. How stupid is America right now is the only question in this election?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Let me ask you a simple question. Do you have health insurance? Oh wait. I'll answer for you. Of course you do. That's the problem. Obviously not a problem when you have access to the health care system. It's a great system with lots of great doctors. This country needs to protect absolutely everyone with regards to something as basic as healthcare IMO.

Ask yourself. What if you weren't covered? What kind of country would do that to someone?

Well at what point does the goverment provide their coverage for Americans. When they have two new cars and no health coverage? When 19 years old and decide its not important? When? When do we screw up our current system to fix a small % who do not have coverage. Remember those two questions are people in % of the uninsured.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Yeah she made a great speech. Too bad the Republican party just gave us eight years of the worst President in our great history and the party line at the GOP convention is all about how the Republicans are going to bring change to Washington. What an absolute joke. Good luck with that. How stupid is America right now is the only question in this election?

Well thats your opinion!

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well at what point does the goverment provide their coverage for Americans. When they have two new cars and no health coverage? When 19 years old and decide its not important? When? When do we screw up our current system to fix a small % who do not have coverage. Remember those two questions are people in % of the uninsured.

What are you talking about? There are over 40 million Americans without health insurance. What kind of small percentage is that? Let me repeat that. 40 million people. It's pathetic.

[hooskins]

It's less than 10 percent.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Let me ask you a simple question. Do you have health insurance? Oh wait. I'll answer for you. Of course you do. That's the problem. Obviously not a problem when you have access to the health care system. It's a great system with lots of great doctors. This country needs to protect absolutely everyone with regards to something as basic as healthcare IMO.

Ask yourself. What if you weren't covered? What kind of country would do that to someone?

In my condition the doctor would have done pro-bono work with people that had life-threatening conditions like the one I had. I'll concede though that there is a problem and it's a shame that so many people are without health insurance. However spending billions upon billions of dollars for an inefficent system that we will never be able to get rid of all while eliminating the private sector in favor of inefficent government programs is not the answer. It's got to be somewhere inbetween.

It takes 19.5 weeks to see a specialist in England and thats after waiting weeks to see a practicioner who in most cases will refer you to a specialist. In fact England has gotten so bad that people take vacations to India and Africa to get medical treatment. Canadians from Toronto are flocking in drones to Buffalo, and it's not to see the Bills. Theres also people in England who are not being approved for possible life saving treatments because theres a chance they're going to die anyway, so the government doesn't want to pay for surgery that might want to help him. Not saying that it doesn't happen in the private sector but this has been a hot topic across the pond.

I had a seizure back in June (I know I'm a mess) and due to the current health system I was able to see a Neurologist the next day. I have also had other problems with my head as of late and thanks to the current system I can arrange an appointment within a week.

National Health Care has not proven itself and once we commit to it it will be virtually impossible to go back. On top of all this one area that will suffer is the quality of doctors. Part of the reason people become doctors in this country is the profit potential, when the government runs things the thought of spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to go to medical school for a job that won't pay nearly as well as it did before will be a lot less attractive to young people who usually choose a career in main part because of the profit potential.

One of my best friends parents left Russia to start a practice here because the quality of the Socialized Health Care in Russia was abysmal among other things.

Then what happens when you get shitty doctors? You get not only shitty inefficent treatment that the doctors won't be able to keep up with due to the number of patients they'll have to see but the research for diseases like AID's and Cancer will experience a drop in quality.

Now to close I'm not saying fuck the people without health insurance. However at the same time asking the government to run health care is like asking Paris Hilton to marry you. Sure she looks good (to a good amount of people) but does she have any personallity? In the end theres got to be a fair balance between quality and quanity, but in a weird way Wilson I agree with you. Anyway lets shoot for a health care system that looks like Tina Fey. Sexy and smart (No Sarah Palin pun intended). Not Paris Hilton who is best described as pretty and dumb. At the very least we should shoot for an Alizee health care system.

Health Care for All. Love, Alizee

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by hooskins

It's less than 10 percent.

Wow the last time I checked the US population was just over 300 million but if that makes people somehow sleep better at night. What kind of country are we? 40 million people don't count all that much?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

In my condition the doctor would have done pro-bono work with people that had life-threatening conditions like the one I had. I'll concede though that there is a problem and it's a shame that so many people are without health insurance. However spending billions upon billions of dollars for an inefficent system that we will never be able to get rid of all while eliminating the private sector in favor of inefficent government programs is not the answer. It's got to be somewhere inbetween.

It takes 19.5 weeks to see a specialist in England and thats after waiting weeks to see a practicioner who in most cases will refer you to a specialist. In fact England has gotten so bad that people take vacations to India and Africa to get medical treatment. Canadians from Toronto are flocking in drones to Buffalo, and it's not to see the Bills. Theres also people in England who are not being approved for possible life saving treatments because theres a chance they're going to die anyway, so the government doesn't want to pay for surgery that might want to help him. Not saying that it doesn't happen in the private sector but this has been a hot topic across the pond.

I had a seizure back in June (I know I'm a mess) and due to the current health system I was able to see a Neurologist the next day. I have also had other problems with my head as of late and thanks to the current system I can arrange an appointment within a week.

National Health Care has not proven itself and once we commit to it it will be virtually impossible to go back. On top of all this one area that will suffer is the quality of doctors. Part of the reason people become doctors in this country is the profit potential, when the government runs things the thought of spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to go to medical school for a job that won't pay nearly as well as it did before will be a lot less attractive to young people who usually choose a career in main part because of the profit potential.

One of my best friends parents left Russia to start a practice here because the quality of the Socialized Health Care in Russia was abysmal among other things.

Then what happens when you get shitty doctors? You get not only shitty inefficent treatment that the doctors won't be able to keep up with due to the number of patients they'll have to see but the research for diseases like AID's and Cancer will experience a drop in quality.

Now to close I'm not saying fuck the people without health insurance. However at the same time asking the government to run health care is like asking Paris Hilton to marry you. Sure she looks good (to a good amount of people) but does she have any personallity? In the end theres got to be a fair balance between quality and quanity, but in a weird way Wilson I agree with you. Anyway lets shoot for a health care system that looks like Tina Fey. Sexy and smart (No Sarah Palin pun intended). Not Paris Hilton who is best described as pretty and dumb. At the very least we should shoot for an Alizee health care system.

Hey I agree with most of this. It just seems like there are many Americans who are forgotten and that is straight up un American. IMO. The people making the most money in our health care system are HMO's and Big Pharmacy. Why would we accept a system that allows the very rich to get richer when it doesn't even work?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What are you talking about? There are over 40 million Americans without health insurance. What kind of small percentage is that? Let me repeat that. 40 million people. It's pathetic.

If you look at the real numbers of people without health coverage it is much smaller than 40 million. 40 million is just a good number for politicians to use to cause a crises in this country. I'm not going to search the numbers tonight but I will to give you some real facts. A % of those in that 40 million will go a small % of time between jobs and they do not elect to pay their coverage. Then you have kids that just don't buy health insurance because they are young and feel its not needed (I did this right out of school). Then you have people and famlies that just don't buy health ins. and spend their money on things like new cars etc... Do we have Americans who cannot afford coverage in the US, Yes, but its not time to tear apart whats not broken.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Wow the last time I checked the US population was just over 300 million but if that makes people somehow sleep better at night. What kind of country are we? 40 million people don't count all that much?

I never said that. Just said it was less than 10 percent. I am pretty liberal, if most of my previous posts don't indicate, but just wanted to point the percentage out.

I feel it is valid argument that it is a small percentage of people, but as you say 40 mil is a lot.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey I agree with most of this. It just seems like there are many Americans who are forgotten and that is straight up un American. IMO.

Agreed, though I hate having all these critism's for the current proposal and not having my own solution. In fact the best I can come up with is an abstract hollywood/France reference involving Tina Fey, Paris Hilton, and Alizee. Of course given my previous post it's obvious that people now know where I stand on the current national health care proposal, but hopefully it gets to the point where the only people that don't have quality health care are true felons (not our friends that got busted for a bag of Pot) and drunk angry Eagle fans.

[wilsowilso]

I think I'm done arguing with Redskin fans for tonight. It's always good to fight for what you believe in and as we all know the US is so unique in history because we all have this right. In fact it is encouraged.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So if your going to make this post I guess its public and you will give the full name of the cousin fired?

Sure, let me get his home address, phone #, SSN, and a recent photo cause God knows if I didn't provide it then everyone would know it didn't happen.

Never ceases to amaze me how the bullshit we hear all election season starts to rub off on us. (I'd sleep through November if it weren't for football)

[saden1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sure, let me get his home address, phone #, SSN, and a recent photo cause God knows if I didn't provide it then everyone would know it didn't happen.

Never ceases to amaze me how the bullshit we hear all election season starts to rub off on us. (I'd sleep through November if it weren't for football)

If your story can't be substantiated it makes it harder to authenticate it's truthiness.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Wow the last time I checked the US population was just over 300 million but if that makes people somehow sleep better at night. What kind of country are we? 40 million people don't count all that much?

when 10 million are illegal immigrants and another 17 million have the resources to insure themselves yet choose not to the number really starts dropping. also consider that accoridng to the CBO 45% of the uninsured will be insured within the next 4 months then the hyperbolic 40-50 million everyone states starts looking a little less dramatic.